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the smoke radio for the masses

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July 8 1947 the Army Air Forces has

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announced that a flying disc has been

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found and is now in the possession of

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the army

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game is rigged change the game game

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changer I occasionally think how quickly

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our difference is worldwide would vanish

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if we were facing an alien threat from

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this is Fade to Black with your host

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Jimmy Church on the game changer radio

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network and kgra the global radio

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I need your help to get to the year

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you're listening to fade to black with

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well well well good evening

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listening all around the world all

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across the United States

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hither and tither to and fro back and

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this is Fade to Black for kjcr the game

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changer Network and kgra the planets I'm

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Yours Jimmy Church what is cracking

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everybody how you doing

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all right you've been waiting for this

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very special guest Professor Avi Loeb is

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and that's it for the week because

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I will inevitably get an email Dude

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dude it's not on the podcast

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uh also going on uh today's the 18th

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the making contact conference it is

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uh there you go nice full end of the

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that's right who is Avi Loeb I heard

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I'm watching with my parents is that

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that the sandbox right now which is

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haven't had a chance to get over to

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spreaker but hello to everybody over

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there YouTube Facebook kgra raise Hobbs

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ah I as you can tell I am in a great

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mood and um things are going down and

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that uh this Monday I will have my not

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uh for Monday night but Monday night one

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director all said hey Jimmy let's

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um I'm very very happy worked really

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uh uh conferences and uh and another

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radio shows and that's pretty cool so

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happening at the same time so I'm I'm in

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a great great mood all right now that

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let's get to the breaking news

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are you ready

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Story number one

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I you know I I got to get some sound

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bites number one and you know just hit

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the button number two

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is that is that two radio

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serious all right I got uh the first

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news story uh tonight and I've got to

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ah so now I'm all about the circus

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number one story number one

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real Crypt

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next to Hugh Hefner and Marilyn Monroe

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is up for sale with bids starting at 2

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it's currently owned by the family of

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the late Jerry Herman now

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it's up now is it up for sale or is it

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okay but anyway the starting bid is two

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million dollars right next to you Hefner

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Marilyn Monroe the Crypt is located at

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Memorial Park in Los Angeles the final

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home for many celebrities like Natalie

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Wood Dean Martin Farrah Fawcett and

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Truman Capote Herman

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that's right Herman was known for Hello

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Dolly that's right he wrote that and he

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originally purchased the Crypt in 1997

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for 75 000 and that's what by the way

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that's what Hugh Hefner paid 75 grand to

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be next to Marilyn Monroe uh but

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with inflation

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and the state of the 2021 dollar that

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price is now two million dollars

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for our responsible now listen to this

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are responsible for more than 50 percent

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of Close Encounters in space

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satellite constellation operators are

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constantly forced to move satellites due

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to encounters with other spacecraft and

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to increase the number of dangerous

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on starlink satellites The Operators

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looked at data dating back to May 2019

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when starlink was first launched since

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then the number of encounters acquired

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by the Socrates database has more than

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doubled and starlink now accounts for

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freaking Elon Chinese debris right

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talking about Close Encounters right

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well a Chinese satellite got whacked

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whacked like

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killed

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by a hunk of Russian Rockets that's

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that back in March of this year the

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United States space Force's 18th space

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control Squadron reported the breakup of

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the yoon-high 102 a Chinese military

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satellite that launched in September of

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2019. it was unclear at the time whether

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the spacecraft had suffered some kind of

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failure like an explosion in its

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propulsion system or if it had collided

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with something in orbit well we now know

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that the latter explanation is correct

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thanks to astrophysicist Jonathan

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McDowell who's based at once again the

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Harvard Smithsonian Center for

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astrophysics in Cambridge Massachusetts

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McDowell spotted an update in the

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spacetrack.org catalog which the space

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force makes available to registered

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users the update included

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48078-1996051q and the note said

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collided with satellite McDowell found

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that object

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48078 is a small piece of space junk a

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piece of debris from the Zenit to rocket

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that launched Russia's tenslina to spy

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satellite back in September

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1996. there you go let's get this show

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cracking happy birthday to today

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can't believe this Robert Redford

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is 85.

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Christian Slater

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is 52. I you know and you start thinking

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what is Kristen Slater's best movie

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I'm still going with Gleaming the Cube

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Ed Norton today is 52. Slaughter drummer

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blast Elias today is 54. plus you know

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in addition to slaughter he's the

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drummer in the Trans-Siberian Orchestra

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right now

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he also is in raiding the Rock Vault in

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Las Vegas and he's still in Slaughter

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remember that movie Rock Star with um

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oh man

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New Kids on the Block

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ah what's his name as the singer

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that was Bloss that played the drums in

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that movie for his band

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um Steel Dragon all of this is coming

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from memory and I can't remember who

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this New Kids on the Block

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oh whatever

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all right

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our dead guy's birthday today is oh

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Everlast today is 52. our dead guy's

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birthday today is Patrick Swayze

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1952-2009 died at the age of 57. Patrick

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of course received three nominations for

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Golden Globe awards for best lead actor

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for his roles in Dirty Dancing 1987

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ghost 1980 and two Wong food Thanks for

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Everything Julie Newmar in 1995 but

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his two best films were Red Dawn and

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Donnie Darko that's a fact

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Patrick died with his family at his side

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on September 14 2009 at the age of 57

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his death occurred just 20 months after

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his cancer diagnosis on this day in

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history 1991 Soviet president Mikhail

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Gorbachev is placed under house arrest

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during a coup by high-ranking members of

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his own government his own military and

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his own police force

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fader fact all right here we go

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here we go

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a person

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normally I give you the full name in

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this case I couldn't

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so a person only known as Alberto now I

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watched the TV Clips on this I watch

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them on all the major news outlets he

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only wanted to go with Alberto but

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Alberto was charged 62 thousand dollars

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by his wireless carrier for downloading

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the movie Wall E wow

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the carrier reduced the bill down to 17

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grand arguing that the five-figure

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charge was what it cost them to deliver

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the movie and that is your fader fact

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man you remember those roaming charges

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back in the day remember that

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tonight very special guest Avi Loeb he's

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here to tell us about his Galileo

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project and of course tomorrow night

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I'll be taking the night off now let me

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hit

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you credit on that I forgot about

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Heather's I'm still going with Gleaming

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oh yeah true romance ah yes

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True Romance still going with Gleaming

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the Cube though

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True Romance is great still going with

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uh Gleaming the Cube

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who would put a tattoo of me on their

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body oh that's uh that's genocide

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that's a great tattoo though

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I got to get that hairstyle back that

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what if

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the scientific Community to look at our

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skies

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24 7. to take a look at everything

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and I do mean everything two

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to check out and identify every object

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that is flying

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floating right fast slow up down left

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right hither and tither everything track

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and image all that there is an absolute

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high-res Fidelity and

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report back on what they find to us the

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public

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without any government interference or

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oversight right what if

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right think about that well that is

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exactly what Avi lobe is going to do now

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this is not a proposal this is not an

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idea

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it's a project that is now officially

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underway

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now

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we can talk about Navy videos all day

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long

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but that's the Navy and to be quite

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honest

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the video themselves

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they don't show us anything

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fuzzy grainy out of focus third

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generation and remember those videos

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that you're seeing from the Navy that's

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somebody that went up to a monitor and

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shot a cell phone video of it that's not

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first generation

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are they definitive of something

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no they're not are they cool yeah they

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are

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but the objects in the videos

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could be whatever you want

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whatever you want whatever you want to

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say they are

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you can do it they will represent your

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imagination it's really that simple

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it's now time to take things to the next

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level

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we need the real stuff you see honest to

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goodness

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what Avi Loeb is about to give us

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is something that has been needed for a

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very long time

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with a huge team of about 70 researchers

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and scientists all around the world who

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will be diving into the UFO UAP question

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totally head on with analysis compiled

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from the brightest Minds that we have

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and let's face it there's a lot going on

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in the skies every single day

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so

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our own government and Military are

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saying this

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we as a community know this

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and the one the one the one missing

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piece has been the application of our

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scientific Community pulling together

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the equipment and the knowledge to

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finally get some real answers

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now we have seen amazing amazing images

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was captured by automated telescopes in

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megapixel full color images and video

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with data to go along with it altitude

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speed trajectory timestamped

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temperatures

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and totally researched in a peer

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laboratory setting

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with published reports

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now I want you to take a minute to think

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because that is exactly what is about to

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happen to our community and our world

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now we've all seen the movie contact

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and and when that moment of finding out

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if we were alone in the universe was

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finally answered did

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they tried to take control of the event

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well that is exactly the situation that

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Avi and his team has to be very aware of

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and I think his response to this will

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surprise you

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now just when things couldn't get any

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better or any crazier for our UFO

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Community you know the media the

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Department of Defense Tic Tacs our very

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own Senate intelligence committee right

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all of this going down at the same time

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we now have Harvard University jumping

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into the deep end of the pool

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the Galileo project represents the next

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step in our Quest For answers and trust

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me Avi and his team are going to have a

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great time pouring over the data that is

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about to come flooding into their

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telescopes

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I hope that they're ready I hope that

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they're ready for the exciting times

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ahead

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now tonight's conversation was recorded

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right before Showtime it is fresh it is

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now so yeah I already know how cool it

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is I do so kick back and enjoy what you

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are about to hear I'm going to be

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hanging out in the chat rooms and social

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media throughout the show right and I

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can't wait to see your reactions to this

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we'll discuss the Galileo project I'm

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Yours Jimmy church this is Fade to Black

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and The Game Changer Network in kgra

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race Hobbs the planet I'll be right back

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with Avi Loeb stay right there

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future of our country and where we're

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headed do you wonder about the food

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supply I do disruptions in the food

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supply chain could be disastrous and

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[Music]

578
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on the game changer radio network and

579
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kgra the planet

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00:33:07,310 --> 00:33:06,240
hi this is Rob Reiner from Anvil and

581
00:33:10,610 --> 00:33:07,320
you're listening to Jimmy

582
00:33:16,770 --> 00:33:12,909
what's up I'm Chris what up this is

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[Music]

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Welcome Back Fade to Black I am your

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00:33:39,769 --> 00:33:37,679
host Jimmy church tonight Avi Loeb is

586
00:33:42,529 --> 00:33:39,779
here he's here to announce and discuss

587
00:33:45,169 --> 00:33:42,539
the Galileo project we'll get to all of

588
00:33:47,810 --> 00:33:45,179
that in just a few minutes but what is

589
00:33:49,490 --> 00:33:47,820
important to know is this Avi is a

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00:33:52,430 --> 00:33:49,500
theoretical physicist who works on

591
00:33:55,130 --> 00:33:52,440
astrophysics and cosmology Professor

592
00:33:56,690 --> 00:33:55,140
Loeb is the Frank B Bear Junior

593
00:33:59,029 --> 00:33:56,700
professor of science at Harvard

594
00:34:01,009 --> 00:33:59,039
University he has been the longest

595
00:34:03,769 --> 00:34:01,019
serving chair of Harvard's Department of

596
00:34:06,889 --> 00:34:03,779
astronomy from 2011 all the way through

597
00:34:10,010 --> 00:34:06,899
2020 founding director of Harvard's

598
00:34:12,109 --> 00:34:10,020
black hole initiative since 2016 and

599
00:34:15,589 --> 00:34:12,119
director for the institute for Theory

600
00:34:18,109 --> 00:34:15,599
and computation all the way back to 2007

601
00:34:21,589 --> 00:34:18,119
within the Harvard Smithsonian Center

602
00:34:23,270 --> 00:34:21,599
for astrophysics he's also the author of

603
00:34:26,030 --> 00:34:23,280
one of my favorite books and

604
00:34:29,510 --> 00:34:26,040
best-selling extraterrestrial the first

605
00:34:31,069 --> 00:34:29,520
sign of intelligent life beyond Earth I

606
00:34:33,050 --> 00:34:31,079
would like to welcome back to fade to

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00:34:36,589 --> 00:34:33,060
black the one and only right now a rock

608
00:34:39,230 --> 00:34:36,599
star Professor avilobe Avi good evening

609
00:34:41,089 --> 00:34:39,240
man how you doing I'm doing great thanks

610
00:34:44,810 --> 00:34:41,099
for having me and you know we've uh

611
00:34:46,550 --> 00:34:44,820
We've chatted quite a bit uh over uh the

612
00:34:49,129 --> 00:34:46,560
last couple of years and all of the

613
00:34:51,230 --> 00:34:49,139
shows have been great and what we're

614
00:34:55,430 --> 00:34:51,240
going to talk about tonight which is the

615
00:34:57,530 --> 00:34:55,440
Galileo project is taking things a huge

616
00:35:00,290 --> 00:34:57,540
step further we're going to do a pretty

617
00:35:03,170 --> 00:35:00,300
deep dive into this but let's go back to

618
00:35:06,890 --> 00:35:03,180
two years ago when you and I uh first uh

619
00:35:10,370 --> 00:35:06,900
talked about omumura did you see this

620
00:35:12,290 --> 00:35:10,380
kind of development happening this fast

621
00:35:14,569 --> 00:35:12,300
no not at all

622
00:35:16,550 --> 00:35:14,579
um back then I was not I didn't have an

623
00:35:18,829 --> 00:35:16,560
agenda that was just this object that

624
00:35:20,810 --> 00:35:18,839
appeared quite weird and strange and

625
00:35:23,569 --> 00:35:20,820
didn't look like a comet or an asteroid

626
00:35:25,670 --> 00:35:23,579
so I pretty much followed my nose and

627
00:35:28,609 --> 00:35:25,680
suggested maybe it's artificial in

628
00:35:30,710 --> 00:35:28,619
origin and and then I I noticed the

629
00:35:33,170 --> 00:35:30,720
response from the community the response

630
00:35:35,569 --> 00:35:33,180
from the public and decided to write my

631
00:35:37,910 --> 00:35:35,579
book six months ago it was published and

632
00:35:39,970 --> 00:35:37,920
uh became bestseller in many countries

633
00:35:44,210 --> 00:35:39,980
25 languages

634
00:35:46,609 --> 00:35:44,220
and then all together uh there was a

635
00:35:48,890 --> 00:35:46,619
great interest in the subject which is

636
00:35:52,069 --> 00:35:48,900
pushed out of the mainstream of science

637
00:35:54,349 --> 00:35:52,079
that's completely inappropriate and

638
00:35:56,150 --> 00:35:54,359
um I I said when my book came out I said

639
00:35:59,030 --> 00:35:56,160
that this is an opportunity for us to

640
00:36:01,130 --> 00:35:59,040
attract more funds to science to attract

641
00:36:03,829 --> 00:36:01,140
more Talent young talent to science

642
00:36:07,130 --> 00:36:03,839
because it's an exciting Frontier that

643
00:36:10,310 --> 00:36:07,140
should be in the mainstream and and I I

644
00:36:12,609 --> 00:36:10,320
I'm glad to say that this proposed

645
00:36:15,010 --> 00:36:12,619
puzzles that I made

646
00:36:19,010 --> 00:36:15,020
were confirmed

647
00:36:21,770 --> 00:36:19,020
over the past month because I had two

648
00:36:24,890 --> 00:36:21,780
multi-billionaires come to my porch at

649
00:36:27,170 --> 00:36:24,900
my home and and they asked me questions

650
00:36:29,569 --> 00:36:27,180
about my book and then ended up

651
00:36:31,730 --> 00:36:29,579
contributing funds to my research and

652
00:36:35,990 --> 00:36:31,740
all together within two weeks I got more

653
00:36:39,829 --> 00:36:36,000
about two million dollars and decided to

654
00:36:42,170 --> 00:36:39,839
establish a research project to assemble

655
00:36:45,010 --> 00:36:42,180
a team of exceptional scientists that

656
00:36:48,589 --> 00:36:45,020
mostly astronomers that will be engaged

657
00:36:50,510 --> 00:36:48,599
in both trying to understand the the

658
00:36:54,109 --> 00:36:50,520
nature of objects like the one

659
00:36:56,930 --> 00:36:54,119
discovered in 2017 or more that come

660
00:36:59,390 --> 00:36:56,940
from outside and find every now and then

661
00:37:01,849 --> 00:36:59,400
a plastic bottle among all the rocks

662
00:37:05,390 --> 00:37:01,859
that we find on a beach on on the beach

663
00:37:08,530 --> 00:37:05,400
of the solar system so to speak and then

664
00:37:11,089 --> 00:37:08,540
in addition of course the the was the

665
00:37:13,849 --> 00:37:11,099
report that came from the intelligence

666
00:37:15,550 --> 00:37:13,859
agents is delivered to Congress on the

667
00:37:18,589 --> 00:37:15,560
25th of June

668
00:37:21,230 --> 00:37:18,599
which basically triggered the my late

669
00:37:23,690 --> 00:37:21,240
latest round of interest because it

670
00:37:25,790 --> 00:37:23,700
reported about objects that are not

671
00:37:27,710 --> 00:37:25,800
identified whose nature is not known and

672
00:37:29,630 --> 00:37:27,720
it's an unusual situation where the

673
00:37:33,230 --> 00:37:29,640
government who which is the most

674
00:37:35,150 --> 00:37:33,240
conservative organization admits or at

675
00:37:37,849 --> 00:37:35,160
least some parts of the government admit

676
00:37:39,290 --> 00:37:37,859
that they are not doing their job the

677
00:37:41,270 --> 00:37:39,300
intelligence agencies are supposed to

678
00:37:44,030 --> 00:37:41,280
figure out the nature of objects in the

679
00:37:47,030 --> 00:37:44,040
sky and above the U.S and they haven't

680
00:37:51,109 --> 00:37:47,040
found that the explanation of what some

681
00:37:53,329 --> 00:37:51,119
objects are 143 of them and and you know

682
00:37:55,849 --> 00:37:53,339
if they suspected that it may be the

683
00:37:58,970 --> 00:37:55,859
another nation and the Chinese or the

684
00:38:01,010 --> 00:37:58,980
Russians they wouldn't come out so uh

685
00:38:03,109 --> 00:38:01,020
publicly about it they would try to

686
00:38:05,690 --> 00:38:03,119
figure it out so to me it implies that

687
00:38:07,910 --> 00:38:05,700
you know this is unusual and it's

688
00:38:10,250 --> 00:38:07,920
intriguing enough for the subject to

689
00:38:13,790 --> 00:38:10,260
move to the realm of science rather than

690
00:38:16,970 --> 00:38:13,800
stay in the as a talking point for

691
00:38:19,910 --> 00:38:16,980
politicians or or military personnel so

692
00:38:22,490 --> 00:38:19,920
at that point we announced last month a

693
00:38:24,170 --> 00:38:22,500
month after the report was delivered to

694
00:38:26,750 --> 00:38:24,180
Congress we announced the Galileo

695
00:38:29,030 --> 00:38:26,760
project because I I now have funding I

696
00:38:30,890 --> 00:38:29,040
don't need approval from anyone and we

697
00:38:33,230 --> 00:38:30,900
are very excited about it I have a team

698
00:38:35,810 --> 00:38:33,240
of exceptional scientists and we're

699
00:38:37,730 --> 00:38:35,820
trying to right now Define the

700
00:38:40,670 --> 00:38:37,740
instruments we want to purchase off the

701
00:38:41,870 --> 00:38:40,680
shelf and I'll be glad to answer any

702
00:38:45,770 --> 00:38:41,880
questions you have about this project

703
00:38:48,710 --> 00:38:45,780
well now speaking of funding I just want

704
00:38:52,370 --> 00:38:48,720
the audience to know uh this is uh not

705
00:38:55,370 --> 00:38:52,380
only a recognized project in a very

706
00:38:58,930 --> 00:38:55,380
visible project but it's also fast

707
00:39:01,790 --> 00:38:58,940
moving and right before our conversation

708
00:39:05,210 --> 00:39:01,800
uh started today which was a little

709
00:39:07,849 --> 00:39:05,220
delayed because you had an announcement

710
00:39:09,950 --> 00:39:07,859
for me which is going to be announced

711
00:39:11,109 --> 00:39:09,960
right now for the first time on this

712
00:39:15,650 --> 00:39:11,119
program program

713
00:39:19,790 --> 00:39:15,660
that Harvard has set up a Public Funding

714
00:39:21,890 --> 00:39:19,800
project for Galileo and now you didn't

715
00:39:23,930 --> 00:39:21,900
know how much can you tell us right now

716
00:39:25,490 --> 00:39:23,940
I know we've got the links and and

717
00:39:28,609 --> 00:39:25,500
things that are going out into social

718
00:39:31,069 --> 00:39:28,619
media uh for you but what can you tell

719
00:39:34,370 --> 00:39:31,079
us about that that's pretty cool news

720
00:39:36,950 --> 00:39:34,380
yeah so um we had to establish a channel

721
00:39:38,950 --> 00:39:36,960
by which the public anyone interested in

722
00:39:41,510 --> 00:39:38,960
funding the Galileo project

723
00:39:43,430 --> 00:39:41,520
will be able to contribute irrespective

724
00:39:45,710 --> 00:39:43,440
what the amount is

725
00:39:49,010 --> 00:39:45,720
um originally there was only a channel

726
00:39:51,589 --> 00:39:49,020
for very large donations but now there

727
00:39:54,290 --> 00:39:51,599
is a link where you can go and select

728
00:39:56,630 --> 00:39:54,300
the appropriate Choice related to my

729
00:39:59,210 --> 00:39:56,640
research fund which will fund the

730
00:40:03,470 --> 00:39:59,220
Galileo project even for small donations

731
00:40:05,690 --> 00:40:03,480
and we have a website at Harvard for the

732
00:40:09,349 --> 00:40:05,700
Galileo project and in that website

733
00:40:12,050 --> 00:40:09,359
there is an item saying fund us and

734
00:40:15,410 --> 00:40:12,060
that's where you can find the link

735
00:40:18,470 --> 00:40:15,420
and uh we've got that up right now in

736
00:40:21,349 --> 00:40:18,480
social media so all of us uh in this

737
00:40:22,970 --> 00:40:21,359
community I encourage you to just uh

738
00:40:25,790 --> 00:40:22,980
follow the link that we have up there

739
00:40:29,930 --> 00:40:25,800
and and do what you can this is a very

740
00:40:32,569 --> 00:40:29,940
very important not only project but the

741
00:40:36,230 --> 00:40:32,579
timing of it the timing with everything

742
00:40:38,030 --> 00:40:36,240
else that is going on Avi uh we have of

743
00:40:40,130 --> 00:40:38,040
course the Department of Defense we have

744
00:40:41,750 --> 00:40:40,140
the Senate intelligence committee we

745
00:40:45,589 --> 00:40:41,760
have all of the programming the mass

746
00:40:47,690 --> 00:40:45,599
media uh this subject of life in the

747
00:40:50,690 --> 00:40:47,700
universe has never been in the public

748
00:40:53,450 --> 00:40:50,700
eye like this before and now we have the

749
00:40:56,390 --> 00:40:53,460
Galileo project it's pretty exciting

750
00:41:00,109 --> 00:40:56,400
it is very exciting and uh the

751
00:41:02,089 --> 00:41:00,119
importance of trying to examine it

752
00:41:04,010 --> 00:41:02,099
scientifically is that you know we will

753
00:41:06,589 --> 00:41:04,020
have full control over the instruments

754
00:41:09,410 --> 00:41:06,599
and our data will be open to the public

755
00:41:11,450 --> 00:41:09,420
it will not be classified or hidden and

756
00:41:13,730 --> 00:41:11,460
so everyone can see how the process of

757
00:41:15,890 --> 00:41:13,740
science is done we will collect new data

758
00:41:19,490 --> 00:41:15,900
with the state-of-the-art instruments

759
00:41:22,609 --> 00:41:19,500
and make it available and

760
00:41:28,450 --> 00:41:25,190
the image of a UAP of an unidentified

761
00:41:30,950 --> 00:41:28,460
aerial phenomena or of an object like

762
00:41:33,230 --> 00:41:30,960
because the picture is worth a thousand

763
00:41:35,150 --> 00:41:33,240
words they say but in my case a picture

764
00:41:37,190 --> 00:41:35,160
is worth 66 000 words the number of

765
00:41:39,829 --> 00:41:37,200
words in my book I would need to write a

766
00:41:43,970 --> 00:41:39,839
book if I had an image right right now

767
00:41:46,910 --> 00:41:43,980
now let's get down to some details here

768
00:41:50,690 --> 00:41:46,920
um oh I I wanted to say this it feels

769
00:41:55,370 --> 00:41:50,700
like we are at an Arthur C Clarke

770
00:42:00,050 --> 00:41:55,380
Stanley Kubrick moment or something that

771
00:42:02,870 --> 00:42:00,060
is constructed outside of our planet is

772
00:42:05,390 --> 00:42:02,880
hopefully going to be discovered we are

773
00:42:08,210 --> 00:42:05,400
almost in a science fiction movie except

774
00:42:12,050 --> 00:42:08,220
this is for Real

775
00:42:14,870 --> 00:42:12,060
uh yeah I mean if we find something if

776
00:42:16,450 --> 00:42:14,880
we did you know what for example in the

777
00:42:20,329 --> 00:42:16,460
context of

778
00:42:23,210 --> 00:42:20,339
uh astronomers argue well it looks like

779
00:42:25,130 --> 00:42:23,220
a very strange Rock uh something we've

780
00:42:27,770 --> 00:42:25,140
never seen before maybe a nitrogen

781
00:42:29,390 --> 00:42:27,780
Iceberg maybe a hydrogen Iceberg if we

782
00:42:31,670 --> 00:42:29,400
take a closer photograph and see that

783
00:42:33,410 --> 00:42:31,680
it's not a rock not an unusual Rock it's

784
00:42:36,530 --> 00:42:33,420
actually artificial it's a piece of

785
00:42:39,109 --> 00:42:36,540
technology it has buttons on it then the

786
00:42:42,349 --> 00:42:39,119
experience will be similar to you know

787
00:42:45,589 --> 00:42:42,359
caveman finding a cell phone and then

788
00:42:47,170 --> 00:42:45,599
the cavemen initially assumes oh it's

789
00:42:49,910 --> 00:42:47,180
just a Shiny Rock

790
00:42:53,270 --> 00:42:49,920
never seen before but but then when the

791
00:42:56,510 --> 00:42:53,280
cavemen starts pressing buttons uh he or

792
00:42:58,910 --> 00:42:56,520
she recognize that you know one button

793
00:43:02,089 --> 00:42:58,920
can record the his or her voice the

794
00:43:04,010 --> 00:43:02,099
second can record the photographing uh

795
00:43:06,230 --> 00:43:04,020
then of course it means that it's it's

796
00:43:07,970 --> 00:43:06,240
not a rock it's something else and in

797
00:43:09,890 --> 00:43:07,980
pretty much the same way we can have

798
00:43:11,870 --> 00:43:09,900
this same learning experience where

799
00:43:13,609 --> 00:43:11,880
astronomers immediately said oh it's

800
00:43:15,710 --> 00:43:13,619
just an unusual Rock we've never seen

801
00:43:17,569 --> 00:43:15,720
any Rock like it before but it's still a

802
00:43:19,490 --> 00:43:17,579
rock it's natural because that's your

803
00:43:21,109 --> 00:43:19,500
natural tendency to say that whatever

804
00:43:23,870 --> 00:43:21,119
you see is something you've seen before

805
00:43:26,569 --> 00:43:23,880
you know that it's nothing new uh but my

806
00:43:29,030 --> 00:43:26,579
point is if it looks sufficiently weird

807
00:43:31,609 --> 00:43:29,040
we should get more data and that's what

808
00:43:33,349 --> 00:43:31,619
the Galileo project is all about now uh

809
00:43:36,109 --> 00:43:33,359
let's talk about the team that you've

810
00:43:39,530 --> 00:43:36,119
assembled and the reason why I want to

811
00:43:41,930 --> 00:43:39,540
actually start there do you feel that in

812
00:43:43,670 --> 00:43:41,940
your community uh you know teachers and

813
00:43:47,210 --> 00:43:43,680
professors astronomers professionals

814
00:43:49,910 --> 00:43:47,220
that somebody had to be first right and

815
00:43:52,250 --> 00:43:49,920
and you are and then all of a sudden

816
00:43:55,430 --> 00:43:52,260
everybody is willing to get on board but

817
00:43:57,770 --> 00:43:55,440
somebody somebody had to reach out uh

818
00:44:00,589 --> 00:43:57,780
first and and you were that guy

819
00:44:03,290 --> 00:44:00,599
yeah I mean I've I've had that

820
00:44:06,290 --> 00:44:03,300
experience before that I worked on a

821
00:44:07,730 --> 00:44:06,300
subject before others joined in and uh

822
00:44:09,530 --> 00:44:07,740
it taught me an important lesson

823
00:44:11,710 --> 00:44:09,540
initially I didn't have the

824
00:44:15,910 --> 00:44:11,720
self-confidence so when people would

825
00:44:18,530 --> 00:44:15,920
dismiss an idea that I had I would

826
00:44:21,589 --> 00:44:18,540
hesitate and not pursue it and then I

827
00:44:23,870 --> 00:44:21,599
realized with that others took the idea

828
00:44:26,089 --> 00:44:23,880
seriously and they gained all the

829
00:44:29,210 --> 00:44:26,099
benefits from adopting it the idea that

830
00:44:31,010 --> 00:44:29,220
I proposed and after a few situations

831
00:44:33,290 --> 00:44:31,020
like that I said the hell with it you

832
00:44:35,089 --> 00:44:33,300
know I don't give a damn about what

833
00:44:37,849 --> 00:44:35,099
people said the time that I'm proposing

834
00:44:40,130 --> 00:44:37,859
a new idea I will just advocate for

835
00:44:42,710 --> 00:44:40,140
something that sounds right to me and

836
00:44:45,170 --> 00:44:42,720
you know eventually the audience will

837
00:44:47,089 --> 00:44:45,180
join me I mean and and that's what I

838
00:44:49,190 --> 00:44:47,099
said to the research team of the Galileo

839
00:44:51,290 --> 00:44:49,200
project I said keep your eyes on the

840
00:44:52,730 --> 00:44:51,300
ball not on the audience and of course

841
00:44:54,950 --> 00:44:52,740
there are lots of people looking at the

842
00:44:57,710 --> 00:44:54,960
audience all the time you know all kinds

843
00:45:01,550 --> 00:44:57,720
of commentators people that are publicly

844
00:45:03,109 --> 00:45:01,560
known and you know public they publicize

845
00:45:05,569 --> 00:45:03,119
science there are lots of these people

846
00:45:07,010 --> 00:45:05,579
that are highly popular because they

847
00:45:08,690 --> 00:45:07,020
publicize science but if you look at

848
00:45:11,930 --> 00:45:08,700
what they they never wrote a scientific

849
00:45:13,550 --> 00:45:11,940
paper in the last decade and they look

850
00:45:15,290 --> 00:45:13,560
at the audience all the time they want

851
00:45:17,750 --> 00:45:15,300
to maximize the number of likes they get

852
00:45:20,150 --> 00:45:17,760
on Twitter I don't care care less about

853
00:45:22,910 --> 00:45:20,160
that I just want to figure out you know

854
00:45:24,710 --> 00:45:22,920
if there there is equipment out there in

855
00:45:26,569 --> 00:45:24,720
space that may indicate that we are not

856
00:45:28,910 --> 00:45:26,579
the smartest kid on the Block you know

857
00:45:31,730 --> 00:45:28,920
that's what I care now how did you

858
00:45:34,309 --> 00:45:31,740
assemble the team did you reach out or

859
00:45:37,430 --> 00:45:34,319
did they approach you

860
00:45:40,069 --> 00:45:37,440
oh no uh initially once I had the funds

861
00:45:42,170 --> 00:45:40,079
I started reaching out to you know the

862
00:45:45,530 --> 00:45:42,180
experts people that are highly qualified

863
00:45:50,630 --> 00:45:45,540
that I trust and it was really very

864
00:45:53,750 --> 00:45:50,640
rewarding to get uh uh yes from them uh

865
00:45:55,069 --> 00:45:53,760
from some of them that it wasn't clear

866
00:45:56,870 --> 00:45:55,079
to me that they would agree because

867
00:45:59,030 --> 00:45:56,880
there are some risks involved you know

868
00:46:02,510 --> 00:45:59,040
we might not find anything and and

869
00:46:05,270 --> 00:46:02,520
moreover there is a stigma attached to

870
00:46:07,309 --> 00:46:05,280
this subject and a ridicule and the

871
00:46:10,550 --> 00:46:07,319
giggle Factor all kinds of things that

872
00:46:14,150 --> 00:46:10,560
were you know made this subject a taboo

873
00:46:17,390 --> 00:46:14,160
and gladly the young people that I

874
00:46:20,210 --> 00:46:17,400
approached that are really excellent in

875
00:46:23,170 --> 00:46:20,220
terms of their professional abilities uh

876
00:46:24,730 --> 00:46:23,180
agreed to join and we have a team of 20

877
00:46:29,329 --> 00:46:24,740
scientists

878
00:46:32,690 --> 00:46:29,339
supplemented by about 20 advisors and

879
00:46:33,250 --> 00:46:32,700
then uh about 30 or so

880
00:46:36,050 --> 00:46:33,260
um

881
00:46:39,050 --> 00:46:36,060
affiliate creates all together about 70

882
00:46:41,150 --> 00:46:39,060
and uh you know I I feel very strongly

883
00:46:43,370 --> 00:46:41,160
that we can fulfill the mission the only

884
00:46:45,890 --> 00:46:43,380
thing missing is right now we have about

885
00:46:48,470 --> 00:46:45,900
two million dollars and that would allow

886
00:46:50,870 --> 00:46:48,480
us to perhaps build the 10 telescope

887
00:46:52,790 --> 00:46:50,880
systems but we really need a hundred

888
00:46:55,910 --> 00:46:52,800
based on the estimates that we've made

889
00:46:57,890 --> 00:46:55,920
in order to see enough of the sky so we

890
00:47:00,109 --> 00:46:57,900
need the funding at a level that is 10

891
00:47:02,210 --> 00:47:00,119
times bigger than we currently have I

892
00:47:04,609 --> 00:47:02,220
mean we can demonstrate that we can get

893
00:47:06,950 --> 00:47:04,619
good data but it would be really good if

894
00:47:09,650 --> 00:47:06,960
we had the tens of millions instead of

895
00:47:12,530 --> 00:47:09,660
just a couple of millions in order to

896
00:47:15,470 --> 00:47:12,540
fulfill the promise of this project and

897
00:47:18,349 --> 00:47:15,480
my hope is with with this crowdfunding

898
00:47:21,410 --> 00:47:18,359
and other wealthy individuals that might

899
00:47:23,630 --> 00:47:21,420
come forward that we will get there now

900
00:47:26,870 --> 00:47:23,640
let's talk about uh some of the

901
00:47:30,290 --> 00:47:26,880
technical aspects of this

902
00:47:33,589 --> 00:47:30,300
um will the telescopes mainly be

903
00:47:36,530 --> 00:47:33,599
terrestrial will you have the ability to

904
00:47:39,170 --> 00:47:36,540
maybe tap in into the James Webb and

905
00:47:42,170 --> 00:47:39,180
test systems

906
00:47:44,089 --> 00:47:42,180
um yeah so what we are dealing with for

907
00:47:46,549 --> 00:47:44,099
the UAP for the unidentified area

908
00:47:48,950 --> 00:47:46,559
phenomena uh we're talking about

909
00:47:50,750 --> 00:47:48,960
telescopes telescope systems that will

910
00:47:53,510 --> 00:47:50,760
be on the ground the environment in many

911
00:47:55,430 --> 00:47:53,520
locations so if we have tens of them or

912
00:47:57,470 --> 00:47:55,440
hundreds of them we will spread them

913
00:47:59,450 --> 00:47:57,480
around the globe and and try to monitor

914
00:48:01,730 --> 00:47:59,460
the sky but basically you're taking a

915
00:48:03,170 --> 00:48:01,740
video of the sky in many locations

916
00:48:05,990 --> 00:48:03,180
you're trying to look

917
00:48:08,150 --> 00:48:06,000
for something unusual and you know we

918
00:48:10,190 --> 00:48:08,160
are not interested in in Birds when we

919
00:48:12,650 --> 00:48:10,200
see a bird we will track it and realize

920
00:48:14,270 --> 00:48:12,660
it's a bird and then dismiss it in much

921
00:48:16,670 --> 00:48:14,280
of the same way I don't care about an

922
00:48:18,530 --> 00:48:16,680
object generate that has made in China

923
00:48:20,630 --> 00:48:18,540
on it or made in Russia I don't really

924
00:48:22,970 --> 00:48:20,640
care about those there's boring

925
00:48:25,130 --> 00:48:22,980
scientifically as birds are for for this

926
00:48:27,710 --> 00:48:25,140
purpose sure of course there are

927
00:48:30,049 --> 00:48:27,720
residents of Washington DC that would be

928
00:48:31,730 --> 00:48:30,059
very interested in such data and I you

929
00:48:34,790 --> 00:48:31,740
know as far as I'm concerned I don't

930
00:48:37,609 --> 00:48:34,800
care about human-made objects

931
00:48:40,370 --> 00:48:37,619
um and and what we really care about are

932
00:48:43,130 --> 00:48:40,380
unusual things and this could be either

933
00:48:45,170 --> 00:48:43,140
unusual phenomena in the atmosphere of

934
00:48:46,870 --> 00:48:45,180
Earth or

935
00:48:49,010 --> 00:48:46,880
um some objects from another

936
00:48:51,589 --> 00:48:49,020
technological civilization so that's

937
00:48:53,870 --> 00:48:51,599
what we will try to see if we if we

938
00:48:57,309 --> 00:48:53,880
identify any of those and then in

939
00:48:59,809 --> 00:48:57,319
addition to the UAP we will of course

940
00:49:04,010 --> 00:48:59,819
develop software that will identify

941
00:49:07,970 --> 00:49:04,020
objects like in the future and and that

942
00:49:11,630 --> 00:49:07,980
will include information from telescopes

943
00:49:14,630 --> 00:49:11,640
in space so for you mentioned the the

944
00:49:16,670 --> 00:49:14,640
James Webb Space Telescope but uh we

945
00:49:19,569 --> 00:49:16,680
hope to use others that will be in space

946
00:49:22,730 --> 00:49:19,579
in the future and then

947
00:49:26,089 --> 00:49:22,740
uh also telescopes from the ground that

948
00:49:29,390 --> 00:49:26,099
like for example the pan star telescope

949
00:49:30,589 --> 00:49:29,400
system that discovered the omuamua and

950
00:49:32,329 --> 00:49:30,599
there would be the Vera Rubin

951
00:49:34,910 --> 00:49:32,339
Observatory that will monitor the sky

952
00:49:37,309 --> 00:49:34,920
with much greater sensitivity and then

953
00:49:39,829 --> 00:49:37,319
the idea is if we find an object on its

954
00:49:42,349 --> 00:49:39,839
approach to us like principle develop a

955
00:49:44,690 --> 00:49:42,359
space mission that will intercept its

956
00:49:47,030 --> 00:49:44,700
trajectory with a camera that will take

957
00:49:50,690 --> 00:49:47,040
a close-up photograph just like those

958
00:49:53,390 --> 00:49:50,700
Cyrus Rex Mission did for the asteroid

959
00:49:56,150 --> 00:49:53,400
bennu it actually landed on it and will

960
00:49:59,210 --> 00:49:56,160
bring a sample back to Earth in 2023 so

961
00:50:01,849 --> 00:49:59,220
just imagine seeing an object that looks

962
00:50:03,589 --> 00:50:01,859
artificial and then landing on it and

963
00:50:05,510 --> 00:50:03,599
pressing the buttons you know know that

964
00:50:07,190 --> 00:50:05,520
that would be remarkable now I mean

965
00:50:09,589 --> 00:50:07,200
indeed it will make science fiction

966
00:50:11,390 --> 00:50:09,599
appear a science yeah absolutely

967
00:50:12,470 --> 00:50:11,400
absolutely

968
00:50:15,589 --> 00:50:12,480
um now

969
00:50:19,190 --> 00:50:15,599
is there going to be a Line in the Sand

970
00:50:20,109 --> 00:50:19,200
if you will between your self and your

971
00:50:24,589 --> 00:50:20,119
project

972
00:50:27,170 --> 00:50:24,599
and the government if you make uh some

973
00:50:29,150 --> 00:50:27,180
astounding Discovery will you have the

974
00:50:32,750 --> 00:50:29,160
freedom and the ability to take it

975
00:50:36,349 --> 00:50:32,760
straight to the media and discuss it and

976
00:50:37,970 --> 00:50:36,359
not have it clamp down and and released

977
00:50:40,790 --> 00:50:37,980
by the government

978
00:50:42,650 --> 00:50:40,800
no I mean the the government doesn't Own

979
00:50:44,569 --> 00:50:42,660
the Sky you know astronomers look at the

980
00:50:46,849 --> 00:50:44,579
sky all the time of course there are

981
00:50:49,309 --> 00:50:46,859
locations near Military facilities and

982
00:50:51,650 --> 00:50:49,319
nuclear sites where uh that are

983
00:50:53,690 --> 00:50:51,660
sensitive but the most of the sky is not

984
00:50:55,309 --> 00:50:53,700
classified the government doesn't Own

985
00:50:57,470 --> 00:50:55,319
the Sky you know you have astronomers

986
00:50:59,809 --> 00:50:57,480
looking at the sky all the time so

987
00:51:02,630 --> 00:50:59,819
instead of astronomers looking at very

988
00:51:04,849 --> 00:51:02,640
distant objects we will look at nearby

989
00:51:06,890 --> 00:51:04,859
objects that's the only difference I was

990
00:51:09,290 --> 00:51:06,900
asked by the administration at Harvard

991
00:51:11,990 --> 00:51:09,300
whether this is part of my research as

992
00:51:13,609 --> 00:51:12,000
an astronomer because if it's not I had

993
00:51:15,829 --> 00:51:13,619
to justify what I'm doing you know

994
00:51:18,049 --> 00:51:15,839
because then it's outside of my research

995
00:51:21,710 --> 00:51:18,059
as an astronomer sure and I said yes

996
00:51:24,829 --> 00:51:21,720
it's exactly the same as I usually do

997
00:51:28,069 --> 00:51:24,839
I'm just you trying to interpret data

998
00:51:30,170 --> 00:51:28,079
from collected by task cops and the only

999
00:51:32,750 --> 00:51:30,180
difference is that usually telescopes

1000
00:51:35,030 --> 00:51:32,760
look at very distant objects and here

1001
00:51:37,609 --> 00:51:35,040
our telescopes we look at nearby objects

1002
00:51:40,730 --> 00:51:37,619
but when you Define astronomy there is

1003
00:51:43,190 --> 00:51:40,740
no reference to how close an object can

1004
00:51:44,809 --> 00:51:43,200
be and if we find an object that came

1005
00:51:47,630 --> 00:51:44,819
from an extraterrestrial technology

1006
00:51:50,329 --> 00:51:47,640
technological civilization then

1007
00:51:53,150 --> 00:51:50,339
obviously it made its way here from very

1008
00:51:55,190 --> 00:51:53,160
far away uh it's definitely part of

1009
00:51:57,530 --> 00:51:55,200
astronomy and I think this subject

1010
00:52:00,230 --> 00:51:57,540
should be regarded as the mainstream

1011
00:52:02,930 --> 00:52:00,240
because it's a question that excites the

1012
00:52:05,930 --> 00:52:02,940
public a question uh that the public

1013
00:52:07,870 --> 00:52:05,940
will be happy to fund both privately and

1014
00:52:10,870 --> 00:52:07,880
through

1015
00:52:13,849 --> 00:52:10,880
grants that are given to to astronomy

1016
00:52:16,549 --> 00:52:13,859
and then and also it's a very exciting

1017
00:52:20,450 --> 00:52:16,559
question that um is is very important

1018
00:52:21,730 --> 00:52:20,460
you know if we find such equipment it

1019
00:52:24,410 --> 00:52:21,740
will change

1020
00:52:26,089 --> 00:52:24,420
it will impact our daily lives it will

1021
00:52:27,650 --> 00:52:26,099
change our perception about our place in

1022
00:52:30,349 --> 00:52:27,660
the universe our relations with each

1023
00:52:32,750 --> 00:52:30,359
other our religious beliefs and so forth

1024
00:52:34,970 --> 00:52:32,760
so how can we shy away from this

1025
00:52:37,609 --> 00:52:34,980
question that's what always looked to me

1026
00:52:40,670 --> 00:52:37,619
very strange that there is ridicule and

1027
00:52:45,109 --> 00:52:40,680
this subject is pushed aside especially

1028
00:52:47,870 --> 00:52:45,119
by scientists now so we always look back

1029
00:52:49,930 --> 00:52:47,880
to you know the movie contact right and

1030
00:52:53,630 --> 00:52:49,940
at that moment of that Discovery

1031
00:52:57,109 --> 00:52:53,640
everybody's excited and then some suits

1032
00:52:59,089 --> 00:52:57,119
come in from Washington DC and say okay

1033
00:53:01,910 --> 00:52:59,099
we're wrestling control of this project

1034
00:53:04,430 --> 00:53:01,920
now we need to control this data there

1035
00:53:06,650 --> 00:53:04,440
is other implications involved I don't

1036
00:53:08,990 --> 00:53:06,660
think there is any issue look if if that

1037
00:53:11,990 --> 00:53:09,000
if what we find has nothing to do with

1038
00:53:14,470 --> 00:53:12,000
the nation on Earth okay

1039
00:53:19,250 --> 00:53:14,480
um there is no way that the government

1040
00:53:22,370 --> 00:53:19,260
could limit that knowledge because it's

1041
00:53:24,650 --> 00:53:22,380
not a national security issue that has

1042
00:53:27,770 --> 00:53:24,660
to do with the US versus other nations

1043
00:53:31,010 --> 00:53:27,780
it's it's an issue that the entire human

1044
00:53:33,109 --> 00:53:31,020
race the entire human species has to

1045
00:53:36,049 --> 00:53:33,119
worry about so it's without boundaries

1046
00:53:38,089 --> 00:53:36,059
and of course we need to know where we

1047
00:53:40,430 --> 00:53:38,099
are you know it's if you were to block

1048
00:53:41,569 --> 00:53:40,440
the information it's just like saying

1049
00:53:43,970 --> 00:53:41,579
you're not allowed to look through the

1050
00:53:46,910 --> 00:53:43,980
window of your home to check if you have

1051
00:53:48,470 --> 00:53:46,920
neighbors the point is of course you

1052
00:53:51,049 --> 00:53:48,480
might argue we don't have neighbors if

1053
00:53:52,670 --> 00:53:51,059
you never look but that's not a good

1054
00:53:54,710 --> 00:53:52,680
approach because you want to know

1055
00:53:56,510 --> 00:53:54,720
whether you have neighbors it's so the

1056
00:53:58,010 --> 00:53:56,520
government cannot tell you not to check

1057
00:53:59,630 --> 00:53:58,020
whether you have neighbors you know

1058
00:54:03,290 --> 00:53:59,640
that's that that we are talking about

1059
00:54:06,410 --> 00:54:03,300
things outside of Earth very far away uh

1060
00:54:09,049 --> 00:54:06,420
and we we need to know as as people you

1061
00:54:12,650 --> 00:54:09,059
know throughout the the entire world we

1062
00:54:14,390 --> 00:54:12,660
need to know where we are uh you know on

1063
00:54:16,430 --> 00:54:14,400
in the galaxy in the Milky Way galaxy

1064
00:54:18,410 --> 00:54:16,440
it's it makes little sense for the US

1065
00:54:20,809 --> 00:54:18,420
government to limit that knowledge I'm

1066
00:54:22,910 --> 00:54:20,819
so glad you're on our team I mean that

1067
00:54:26,089 --> 00:54:22,920
it can't be said any better than that

1068
00:54:27,950 --> 00:54:26,099
and before we get to the break uh we're

1069
00:54:29,390 --> 00:54:27,960
just a couple of minutes away

1070
00:54:33,710 --> 00:54:29,400
um is this

1071
00:54:36,950 --> 00:54:33,720
do you feel that the world now not only

1072
00:54:40,250 --> 00:54:36,960
is ready but can handle this kind of

1073
00:54:42,230 --> 00:54:40,260
news as you know in the past it was

1074
00:54:45,049 --> 00:54:42,240
always framed that we couldn't handle it

1075
00:54:47,329 --> 00:54:45,059
right that things would go uh just go

1076
00:54:49,789 --> 00:54:47,339
awry and go crazy on Earth are we ready

1077
00:54:52,849 --> 00:54:49,799
as a planet

1078
00:54:55,730 --> 00:54:52,859
um no I think the main problem is people

1079
00:54:58,190 --> 00:54:55,740
are not willing to engage in this

1080
00:55:00,829 --> 00:54:58,200
discussion they're basically arguing

1081
00:55:02,690 --> 00:55:00,839
they know the answer in advance that

1082
00:55:04,609 --> 00:55:02,700
they know that you know business as

1083
00:55:06,650 --> 00:55:04,619
usual everything that appears in the sky

1084
00:55:08,150 --> 00:55:06,660
must be rocks of the types that we have

1085
00:55:10,370 --> 00:55:08,160
seen and I'm talking here about the

1086
00:55:12,170 --> 00:55:10,380
scientific Community because you know if

1087
00:55:14,510 --> 00:55:12,180
the scientific Community was open-minded

1088
00:55:17,690 --> 00:55:14,520
it would have invested funds in this

1089
00:55:20,390 --> 00:55:17,700
search and so that's the stumbling block

1090
00:55:22,670 --> 00:55:20,400
right now the public is excited about it

1091
00:55:25,069 --> 00:55:22,680
the scientific Community was blocking it

1092
00:55:27,410 --> 00:55:25,079
and I'm trying to change this landscape

1093
00:55:30,230 --> 00:55:27,420
and make it more legitimate and

1094
00:55:31,910 --> 00:55:30,240
appropriate for this subject to be in

1095
00:55:33,349 --> 00:55:31,920
the mainstream of science because I

1096
00:55:35,690 --> 00:55:33,359
think it will be very exciting for all

1097
00:55:38,030 --> 00:55:35,700
of us not just for scientists but also

1098
00:55:40,309 --> 00:55:38,040
for the public more people will get

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engaged and suppose we find a positive

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answer that there you know there is a

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smarter kid on the Block you know we can

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learn from that kid we can incorporate

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the technologies that we discover it's

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00:55:53,450 --> 00:55:51,240
really very exciting search much more so

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00:55:56,089 --> 00:55:53,460
than searching for the nature of dark

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00:55:57,890 --> 00:55:56,099
matter which we've been engaged in for

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00:56:00,470 --> 00:55:57,900
four decades invested hundreds of

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millions of dollars and didn't find

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anything you know we're still searching

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in the dark so I'm saying you know if

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we're searching in the dark for the dark

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matter why not search

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also for things like us I mean that that

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sounds to me like common sense and we

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what do you think

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take me to your leader right it's

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where's Avi what

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he asked me for my leader I would direct

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them to my wife

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but actually my wife said

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um that if they land in our backyard and

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ask me to get into the spaceship she

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want wants me she asks me to do two

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things one to make sure that they leave

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the car keys with her yep and second

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that I asked them not to ruin the loan

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when they lift off consider for sure but

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let's take it yeah let's take our break

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we got to get a break in this is Fade to

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Black I'm your host Jimmy church tonight

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Professor Avi lobe we are discussing the

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Galileo project all of that and much

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[Applause]

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[Music]

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01:02:37,730 --> 01:02:35,700
welcome back this is Fade to Black I'm

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01:02:40,010 --> 01:02:37,740
your host Jimmy church tonight Professor

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01:02:42,230 --> 01:02:40,020
Avi Loeb joins us for discussing the

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Galileo project I want to let everybody

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01:02:49,309 --> 01:02:44,880
know what is going on I'm taking

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01:02:52,430 --> 01:02:49,319
tomorrow off it is very rare but I need

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01:02:54,770 --> 01:02:52,440
my personal time okay so no emails no

1240
01:02:56,089 --> 01:02:54,780
text where's the show I don't want to

1241
01:02:59,089 --> 01:02:56,099
hear it I'm taking tomorrow night off

1242
01:03:01,549 --> 01:02:59,099
but tonight it's Professor Avi Loeb and

1243
01:03:03,470 --> 01:03:01,559
we're discussing the Galileo project and

1244
01:03:06,289 --> 01:03:03,480
and Avi I'm probably going to do this a

1245
01:03:11,210 --> 01:03:06,299
few times tonight but I want it back up

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01:03:13,250 --> 01:03:11,220
and discuss uh a nugget that is in your

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01:03:16,309 --> 01:03:13,260
book extraterrestrial which I've read

1248
01:03:20,390 --> 01:03:16,319
probably 20 times now and without

1249
01:03:22,549 --> 01:03:20,400
exaggeration and every time I do I catch

1250
01:03:27,289 --> 01:03:22,559
a little you you've got some nuggets in

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01:03:31,750 --> 01:03:27,299
there and and you can read past them uh

1252
01:03:35,569 --> 01:03:31,760
like I have done and one of them is this

1253
01:03:39,049 --> 01:03:35,579
you say I'm paraphrasing of course but

1254
01:03:48,910 --> 01:03:39,059
you say that uh that uh the data showed

1255
01:03:55,329 --> 01:03:53,450
as a pancake now that line I jumped out

1256
01:04:01,370 --> 01:03:55,339
of my I was like wait wait wait

1257
01:04:06,710 --> 01:04:05,210
using the word pancake so let's talk

1258
01:04:08,150 --> 01:04:06,720
about that for a second that is

1259
01:04:10,309 --> 01:04:08,160
different than the artist

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01:04:12,470 --> 01:04:10,319
interpretations and and the way that

1261
01:04:15,770 --> 01:04:12,480
it's been presented in the media when

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01:04:19,309 --> 01:04:15,780
you say pancake what are you describing

1263
01:04:21,289 --> 01:04:19,319
well uh it's a flat object and the this

1264
01:04:23,809 --> 01:04:21,299
is not a matter of

1265
01:04:25,630 --> 01:04:23,819
um belief it was basically the result of

1266
01:04:29,029 --> 01:04:25,640
analyzing the data

1267
01:04:30,109 --> 01:04:29,039
uh the the reflection of sunlight from

1268
01:04:32,150 --> 01:04:30,119
this object and you have to understand

1269
01:04:33,950 --> 01:04:32,160
the sun acts as a Lamppost that

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illuminates the darkness around us so

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01:04:38,390 --> 01:04:36,780
when an object passes near the sun uh it

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01:04:41,750 --> 01:04:38,400
reflects light from the sun and that's

1273
01:04:43,309 --> 01:04:41,760
how we find it and then was was tumbling

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01:04:45,170 --> 01:04:43,319
and the amount of light that it

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01:04:48,049 --> 01:04:45,180
reflected Changed by a factor of 10

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01:04:49,910 --> 01:04:48,059
every 8 hours as it was stumbling and if

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01:04:51,829 --> 01:04:49,920
you try to fit the variation of light

1278
01:04:54,529 --> 01:04:51,839
you could infer something about the

1279
01:04:57,950 --> 01:04:54,539
shape of the object and the best fit at

1280
01:05:01,190 --> 01:04:57,960
the 90 confidence was that of a flat

1281
01:05:03,770 --> 01:05:01,200
object a pancake like object already the

1282
01:05:06,230 --> 01:05:03,780
discovery paper argued for a flat object

1283
01:05:09,849 --> 01:05:06,240
based on the way that the object tumbled

1284
01:05:12,109 --> 01:05:09,859
and that was later

1285
01:05:14,510 --> 01:05:12,119
reinforced by the variation of light

1286
01:05:17,210 --> 01:05:14,520
that was reflected from it

1287
01:05:20,270 --> 01:05:17,220
um so all together it seems like the

1288
01:05:21,710 --> 01:05:20,280
data suggested that it's flat and in

1289
01:05:24,789 --> 01:05:21,720
addition to that of course there was

1290
01:05:27,289 --> 01:05:24,799
this excess push away from the sun and

1291
01:05:30,170 --> 01:05:27,299
the only way I could make sense of that

1292
01:05:32,150 --> 01:05:30,180
was that it's reflecting sunlight and

1293
01:05:34,309 --> 01:05:32,160
therefore getting pushed from that and

1294
01:05:36,470 --> 01:05:34,319
for that the object had to be very thin

1295
01:05:38,089 --> 01:05:36,480
and that's why I suggested it maybe

1296
01:05:41,990 --> 01:05:38,099
artificial because nature doesn't make

1297
01:05:45,770 --> 01:05:42,000
very thin objects that are flat and then

1298
01:05:47,809 --> 01:05:45,780
in September 2020 just a year less than

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01:05:50,109 --> 01:05:47,819
a year ago there was another object

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01:05:52,789 --> 01:05:50,119
discovered the

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01:05:54,589 --> 01:05:52,799
that was pushed away from the Sun by

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01:05:56,270 --> 01:05:54,599
reflecting sunlight and had no

1303
01:05:59,289 --> 01:05:56,280
commentary tale there was no evaporation

1304
01:06:01,670 --> 01:05:59,299
of gas from it exactly the qualities of

1305
01:06:03,650 --> 01:06:01,680
and this object was discovered by the

1306
01:06:05,450 --> 01:06:03,660
same telescope in Hawaii but then the

1307
01:06:08,270 --> 01:06:05,460
astronomers that discovered it realized

1308
01:06:11,270 --> 01:06:08,280
it actually came from Earth it's a

1309
01:06:14,329 --> 01:06:11,280
rocket booster from a 1966 launch that

1310
01:06:18,950 --> 01:06:14,339
was sent into space and they just found

1311
01:06:21,049 --> 01:06:18,960
it given the name 2020 so and we know

1312
01:06:23,089 --> 01:06:21,059
that and that's why right was pushed by

1313
01:06:25,849 --> 01:06:23,099
reflecting sunlight and so that

1314
01:06:28,069 --> 01:06:25,859
reinforces this idea that we can tell

1315
01:06:29,630 --> 01:06:28,079
the difference between a rock and an

1316
01:06:32,569 --> 01:06:29,640
artificial object because an artificial

1317
01:06:35,270 --> 01:06:32,579
object can be very thin and the only

1318
01:06:39,370 --> 01:06:35,280
question is who produced

1319
01:06:41,690 --> 01:06:39,380
now uh the I want to say

1320
01:06:43,910 --> 01:06:41,700
as an example because we're going to

1321
01:06:47,329 --> 01:06:43,920
flip right back over to the Galileo

1322
01:06:50,150 --> 01:06:47,339
project one of the things that bums me

1323
01:06:52,490 --> 01:06:50,160
out and and yourself too about omuamua

1324
01:06:56,329 --> 01:06:52,500
was our lack of data we were caught by

1325
01:06:58,130 --> 01:06:56,339
surprise and by the time we uh knew it

1326
01:07:00,770 --> 01:06:58,140
was there and tried it was gone all

1327
01:07:04,130 --> 01:07:00,780
right we didn't have the ability to

1328
01:07:06,109 --> 01:07:04,140
collect uh imagery and a whole lot of

1329
01:07:07,849 --> 01:07:06,119
data and it's gone and it's probably not

1330
01:07:12,770 --> 01:07:07,859
coming back

1331
01:07:16,309 --> 01:07:12,780
um that is an issue if you look at that

1332
01:07:18,950 --> 01:07:16,319
experience and apply that to Galileo how

1333
01:07:21,829 --> 01:07:18,960
much of this is going to be automated

1334
01:07:24,049 --> 01:07:21,839
with the the Galileo project to track

1335
01:07:25,789 --> 01:07:24,059
objects that may be traveling at

1336
01:07:29,270 --> 01:07:25,799
extraordinary speeds inside of our

1337
01:07:31,730 --> 01:07:29,280
atmosphere yeah so that exactly is the

1338
01:07:33,349 --> 01:07:31,740
purpose and you may ask how come

1339
01:07:36,650 --> 01:07:33,359
astronomers look at the sky all the time

1340
01:07:39,470 --> 01:07:36,660
how come they don't see UAP or unusual

1341
01:07:41,630 --> 01:07:39,480
objects the answer is simply if a bird

1342
01:07:44,750 --> 01:07:41,640
flies above a telescope a regular

1343
01:07:48,370 --> 01:07:44,760
telescope the astronomers ignore it what

1344
01:07:50,990 --> 01:07:48,380
we will do is notice the burden track it

1345
01:07:53,809 --> 01:07:51,000
so that's a different observing strategy

1346
01:07:57,230 --> 01:07:53,819
that's why this this objective was never

1347
01:07:59,690 --> 01:07:57,240
pursued by astronomers we have to Define

1348
01:08:02,089 --> 01:07:59,700
a new set of instruments that would

1349
01:08:04,309 --> 01:08:02,099
allow the telescope to identify targets

1350
01:08:07,430 --> 01:08:04,319
of interest and then follow them on the

1351
01:08:10,549 --> 01:08:07,440
sky and of course the the telescope

1352
01:08:12,529 --> 01:08:10,559
would find Birds would find drones would

1353
01:08:14,750 --> 01:08:12,539
find weather balloons would find the

1354
01:08:18,349 --> 01:08:14,760
airplanes and we will have to reject

1355
01:08:19,970 --> 01:08:18,359
those as not so interesting but the hope

1356
01:08:22,849 --> 01:08:19,980
is that it will also identify things

1357
01:08:25,729 --> 01:08:22,859
that move in an unusual way and perhaps

1358
01:08:28,130 --> 01:08:25,739
not by technologies that we ourselves

1359
01:08:30,229 --> 01:08:28,140
produce now if we don't find any of

1360
01:08:31,849 --> 01:08:30,239
these or if we find that we can explain

1361
01:08:34,970 --> 01:08:31,859
everything that we see in terms of

1362
01:08:37,430 --> 01:08:34,980
mundane explanations so be it you know

1363
01:08:39,370 --> 01:08:37,440
but that's the way of scientific

1364
01:08:42,229 --> 01:08:39,380
um that scientific inquiry

1365
01:08:45,229 --> 01:08:42,239
goes basically or not you don't have a

1366
01:08:47,030 --> 01:08:45,239
Prejudice you just collect the data and

1367
01:08:49,669 --> 01:08:47,040
um you know just like kids learn about

1368
01:08:51,349 --> 01:08:49,679
the world even though the adults tell

1369
01:08:53,209 --> 01:08:51,359
them the answer they want to figure it

1370
01:08:54,530 --> 01:08:53,219
out themselves and that's what we are

1371
01:08:58,610 --> 01:08:54,540
trying to do in the Galileo project

1372
01:09:01,749 --> 01:08:58,620
figure it out ourselves now um when we

1373
01:09:04,490 --> 01:09:01,759
hear these reports you know from uh

1374
01:09:07,610 --> 01:09:04,500
extremely credible professional sources

1375
01:09:11,030 --> 01:09:07,620
you know like a commander fraver that

1376
01:09:14,510 --> 01:09:11,040
are describing these objects uh possibly

1377
01:09:15,849 --> 01:09:14,520
going from point A to point B in the

1378
01:09:19,010 --> 01:09:15,859
blink of an eye

1379
01:09:21,709 --> 01:09:19,020
are you going to have the ability to

1380
01:09:24,169 --> 01:09:21,719
pick it up first if it just appears

1381
01:09:27,349 --> 01:09:24,179
which there have been reports of that

1382
01:09:30,050 --> 01:09:27,359
right just phasing in however it that

1383
01:09:33,229 --> 01:09:30,060
happens but then moving from one point

1384
01:09:35,510 --> 01:09:33,239
to another nearly instantaneously how

1385
01:09:38,630 --> 01:09:35,520
are you going to approach that it seems

1386
01:09:40,550 --> 01:09:38,640
like something impossible to tackle no

1387
01:09:43,070 --> 01:09:40,560
no it will not be because

1388
01:09:44,410 --> 01:09:43,080
um we will have something called the

1389
01:09:47,030 --> 01:09:44,420
fish eye

1390
01:09:50,809 --> 01:09:47,040
lens that is able to look at the entire

1391
01:09:53,149 --> 01:09:50,819
Sky all the time and basically

1392
01:09:54,649 --> 01:09:53,159
um if something appears uh we will

1393
01:09:56,689 --> 01:09:54,659
notice it and then there would be

1394
01:09:58,850 --> 01:09:56,699
additional telescopes that monitor its

1395
01:10:01,930 --> 01:09:58,860
motion very quickly so they would be

1396
01:10:04,610 --> 01:10:01,940
able to uh you know

1397
01:10:09,050 --> 01:10:04,620
immediately move in the direction of the

1398
01:10:10,370 --> 01:10:09,060
object and track it uh and and that's as

1399
01:10:12,470 --> 01:10:10,380
long as the telescope is small enough

1400
01:10:15,470 --> 01:10:12,480
that it's possible to do it very quickly

1401
01:10:17,270 --> 01:10:15,480
so we need to it to be automated as you

1402
01:10:18,709 --> 01:10:17,280
say there is no time for a human to

1403
01:10:20,630 --> 01:10:18,719
respond and say oh this looks

1404
01:10:22,370 --> 01:10:20,640
interesting let's look at that right it

1405
01:10:24,709 --> 01:10:22,380
will be automated and the data will be

1406
01:10:26,930 --> 01:10:24,719
collected and it will be guided by a

1407
01:10:29,030 --> 01:10:26,940
computer system that's an important part

1408
01:10:30,709 --> 01:10:29,040
of the project and so there would be

1409
01:10:34,910 --> 01:10:30,719
telescopes and then they will be

1410
01:10:37,550 --> 01:10:34,920
connected to uh cameras that take the

1411
01:10:39,770 --> 01:10:37,560
data and and transfer it to a computer

1412
01:10:42,410 --> 01:10:39,780
system that that tells the telescope

1413
01:10:43,910 --> 01:10:42,420
what to do in response to that and most

1414
01:10:45,590 --> 01:10:43,920
of most of the sky will not be

1415
01:10:47,270 --> 01:10:45,600
interesting but every now and then there

1416
01:10:50,090 --> 01:10:47,280
would be something interesting now in

1417
01:10:53,270 --> 01:10:50,100
addition to telescopes that observe in

1418
01:10:55,910 --> 01:10:53,280
the visible range of of wavelengths look

1419
01:10:59,870 --> 01:10:55,920
for reflected sunlight during the day we

1420
01:11:03,649 --> 01:10:59,880
will also have infrared the sensors that

1421
01:11:05,149 --> 01:11:03,659
can see objects at night and also radar

1422
01:11:07,250 --> 01:11:05,159
systems you know these are not very

1423
01:11:09,590 --> 01:11:07,260
expensive and nowadays you find both of

1424
01:11:12,410 --> 01:11:09,600
them on on sailboats you know people

1425
01:11:14,630 --> 01:11:12,420
have infrared sensors and radar systems

1426
01:11:19,850 --> 01:11:14,640
that can sit to large distances miles

1427
01:11:22,070 --> 01:11:19,860
and so we will employ those now uh

1428
01:11:24,410 --> 01:11:22,080
this is so I didn't think about the

1429
01:11:27,530 --> 01:11:24,420
fisheye aspect looking at the entire Sky

1430
01:11:30,709 --> 01:11:27,540
all at once finding movement of some

1431
01:11:32,689 --> 01:11:30,719
kind an anomaly and then uh with with

1432
01:11:34,850 --> 01:11:32,699
automation of course picking up on that

1433
01:11:36,350 --> 01:11:34,860
that anomaly and tracking it from there

1434
01:11:38,750 --> 01:11:36,360
that makes a lot of sense that's why

1435
01:11:40,970 --> 01:11:38,760
you're the professor and I'm just a

1436
01:11:44,330 --> 01:11:40,980
radio show host but there's there's

1437
01:11:48,890 --> 01:11:44,340
another part to this as you know

1438
01:11:52,310 --> 01:11:48,900
um most images of UFOs uaps inside of

1439
01:11:55,570 --> 01:11:52,320
the atmosphere are not the best right

1440
01:11:58,930 --> 01:11:55,580
they're just not are we

1441
01:12:02,689 --> 01:11:58,940
expecting and and certainly yourself

1442
01:12:07,490 --> 01:12:02,699
like something High Deft you know high

1443
01:12:08,570 --> 01:12:07,500
def uh 8K a billion pixel image from a

1444
01:12:16,910 --> 01:12:08,580
telescope

1445
01:12:18,229 --> 01:12:16,920
Optics tells you you know like just to

1446
01:12:20,330 --> 01:12:18,239
give you an example if you have an

1447
01:12:22,490 --> 01:12:20,340
object the size of a person at a

1448
01:12:25,610 --> 01:12:22,500
distance of a mile you can get a

1449
01:12:27,410 --> 01:12:25,620
megapixel image of it with a one meter

1450
01:12:29,630 --> 01:12:27,420
telescope a telescope that has a

1451
01:12:32,090 --> 01:12:29,640
diameter of one meter and by the way I

1452
01:12:34,970 --> 01:12:32,100
found such telescopes online there is a

1453
01:12:37,790 --> 01:12:34,980
website that sells them uh and it says

1454
01:12:39,830 --> 01:12:37,800
add to the bag and if you click on add

1455
01:12:42,950 --> 01:12:39,840
to the back the cost is half a million

1456
01:12:44,570 --> 01:12:42,960
dollars so apparently there must be

1457
01:12:46,550 --> 01:12:44,580
people willing to pay half a million

1458
01:12:49,490 --> 01:12:46,560
dollars by clicking on add to the bag

1459
01:12:52,130 --> 01:12:49,500
otherwise it won't exist but it's quite

1460
01:12:54,110 --> 01:12:52,140
expensive for us and we are not planning

1461
01:12:56,570 --> 01:12:54,120
to get telescopes as big as that but

1462
01:12:59,030 --> 01:12:56,580
just to give you an impression such a

1463
01:13:02,390 --> 01:12:59,040
telescope of one meter diameter can

1464
01:13:04,790 --> 01:13:02,400
resolve the head of a pin on an object

1465
01:13:07,010 --> 01:13:04,800
the size of a person at the distance of

1466
01:13:11,030 --> 01:13:07,020
a mile so you can easily read off the

1467
01:13:13,070 --> 01:13:11,040
label made on exoplanet X I mean that

1468
01:13:14,810 --> 01:13:13,080
would be easy but if you take a

1469
01:13:17,270 --> 01:13:14,820
telescope that is 10 times smaller

1470
01:13:19,729 --> 01:13:17,280
instead of seeing the head of a pin you

1471
01:13:23,149 --> 01:13:19,739
will see something you know like half an

1472
01:13:27,229 --> 01:13:23,159
inch or so in size or or so

1473
01:13:29,270 --> 01:13:27,239
um so it's

1474
01:13:31,390 --> 01:13:29,280
um of course the resolution the amount

1475
01:13:33,770 --> 01:13:31,400
the level of details that you can see

1476
01:13:36,890 --> 01:13:33,780
depends on the size of your telescope

1477
01:13:38,450 --> 01:13:36,900
but a megapixel image is possible at the

1478
01:13:40,910 --> 01:13:38,460
distance of a mile with a one meter

1479
01:13:44,030 --> 01:13:40,920
telescope that's I I

1480
01:13:47,630 --> 01:13:44,040
I have uh I've seen things at Great

1481
01:13:50,090 --> 01:13:47,640
distances you know 14 miles

1482
01:13:52,250 --> 01:13:50,100
um and and trying to resolve and get

1483
01:13:55,430 --> 01:13:52,260
resolution on that is always difficult

1484
01:13:58,729 --> 01:13:55,440
but in your case

1485
01:14:01,669 --> 01:13:58,739
um you would I I'm anticipating

1486
01:14:03,550 --> 01:14:01,679
something Crystal Clear something that

1487
01:14:07,189 --> 01:14:03,560
can't be argued

1488
01:14:09,470 --> 01:14:07,199
right that's right so um right now we

1489
01:14:11,090 --> 01:14:09,480
have only fuzzy images and the

1490
01:14:13,669 --> 01:14:11,100
government really didn't release much

1491
01:14:15,590 --> 01:14:13,679
data we're seeing only the tip of the

1492
01:14:17,870 --> 01:14:15,600
iceberg and the reason I think that

1493
01:14:20,330 --> 01:14:17,880
there is an iceberg is because people

1494
01:14:23,689 --> 01:14:20,340
that saw the classified component of the

1495
01:14:25,250 --> 01:14:23,699
report to the Congress argue that it's a

1496
01:14:28,010 --> 01:14:25,260
serious matter and that these are real

1497
01:14:31,010 --> 01:14:28,020
objects based on all the data so we

1498
01:14:33,169 --> 01:14:31,020
haven't seen such conclusive data but I

1499
01:14:35,149 --> 01:14:33,179
believe that it exists because otherwise

1500
01:14:37,610 --> 01:14:35,159
those people that saw the classified

1501
01:14:40,250 --> 01:14:37,620
component that the iceberg so to speak

1502
01:14:42,709 --> 01:14:40,260
uh would not speak about it this way you

1503
01:14:45,229 --> 01:14:42,719
know these were CA former CIA directors

1504
01:14:48,350 --> 01:14:45,239
Brennan and Woolsey and former president

1505
01:14:51,169 --> 01:14:48,360
Barack Obama and other even Bill Nelson

1506
01:14:52,610 --> 01:14:51,179
the NASA administrator said that

1507
01:14:54,530 --> 01:14:52,620
scientists should look into that because

1508
01:14:57,709 --> 01:14:54,540
he saw the classified component as a

1509
01:15:00,229 --> 01:14:57,719
senator and that to me illustrates the

1510
01:15:02,870 --> 01:15:00,239
need of scientists getting the data

1511
01:15:05,470 --> 01:15:02,880
themselves because the reason the data

1512
01:15:07,790 --> 01:15:05,480
is classified is because it was taken by

1513
01:15:09,649 --> 01:15:07,800
government-owned sensors it's not

1514
01:15:11,689 --> 01:15:09,659
necessarily because the data itself is

1515
01:15:14,510 --> 01:15:11,699
classified it's the fact that it was

1516
01:15:15,890 --> 01:15:14,520
collected by sensors that are classified

1517
01:15:18,649 --> 01:15:15,900
that the government doesn't want other

1518
01:15:20,990 --> 01:15:18,659
nations to know about but if we buy it

1519
01:15:23,750 --> 01:15:21,000
off the shelf all these telescope

1520
01:15:26,510 --> 01:15:23,760
systems we buy from components that you

1521
01:15:29,149 --> 01:15:26,520
can purchase anywhere you know and and

1522
01:15:32,090 --> 01:15:29,159
put it together and we can make the data

1523
01:15:34,310 --> 01:15:32,100
open and available to anyone and that's

1524
01:15:36,410 --> 01:15:34,320
the way science is done you know we we

1525
01:15:38,750 --> 01:15:36,420
are not after issues related to National

1526
01:15:42,110 --> 01:15:38,760
Security we're after finding something

1527
01:15:43,910 --> 01:15:42,120
new about nature and if you know that's

1528
01:15:46,250 --> 01:15:43,920
the way astronomy is done that's the way

1529
01:15:50,149 --> 01:15:46,260
science in general is done it's sort of

1530
01:15:52,669 --> 01:15:50,159
Blue Sky you know uh here it you know no

1531
01:15:55,610 --> 01:15:52,679
pun intended but it's actually we are

1532
01:15:56,930 --> 01:15:55,620
looking for uh at the Blue Sky and

1533
01:16:00,050 --> 01:15:56,940
trying to see if there's anything

1534
01:16:02,169 --> 01:16:00,060
unusual out there uh Bill Nelson I don't

1535
01:16:03,890 --> 01:16:02,179
know if you were aware but uh yesterday

1536
01:16:07,250 --> 01:16:03,900
he was

1537
01:16:10,910 --> 01:16:07,260
in a briefing with uh the Department of

1538
01:16:13,250 --> 01:16:10,920
Defense and the UAP task force on uaps

1539
01:16:16,130 --> 01:16:13,260
now this happened yesterday I don't know

1540
01:16:18,950 --> 01:16:16,140
the results of the briefing but it made

1541
01:16:20,209 --> 01:16:18,960
me think about our conversation today in

1542
01:16:24,050 --> 01:16:20,219
that

1543
01:16:26,209 --> 01:16:24,060
um has the UAP task force reached out to

1544
01:16:29,030 --> 01:16:26,219
you since the announcement of the

1545
01:16:31,370 --> 01:16:29,040
Galileo report would they be interested

1546
01:16:34,430 --> 01:16:31,380
in some of your data

1547
01:16:36,290 --> 01:16:34,440
no they didn't reach out to me and our

1548
01:16:37,850 --> 01:16:36,300
data will be open to everyone including

1549
01:16:40,850 --> 01:16:37,860
them so they don't need to reach out to

1550
01:16:44,090 --> 01:16:40,860
me because we will not share it just

1551
01:16:46,910 --> 01:16:44,100
with selected number of people you know

1552
01:16:48,590 --> 01:16:46,920
and it will be available to everyone so

1553
01:16:52,970 --> 01:16:48,600
whenever we have the data they will be

1554
01:16:55,669 --> 01:16:52,980
able to review it do you uh do you do

1555
01:16:58,669 --> 01:16:55,679
you anticipate Avi and and I mean this

1556
01:17:01,370 --> 01:16:58,679
in in the most positive sense to keep

1557
01:17:05,330 --> 01:17:01,380
this non-political to keep this

1558
01:17:08,510 --> 01:17:05,340
non-religious to make this uh an Earth

1559
01:17:11,390 --> 01:17:08,520
Project and and it is it is for the

1560
01:17:15,110 --> 01:17:11,400
citizens of this planet it shouldn't be

1561
01:17:17,689 --> 01:17:15,120
polarized and we can't argue about this

1562
01:17:21,770 --> 01:17:17,699
in a in a geopolitical sense

1563
01:17:25,550 --> 01:17:21,780
uh yes I think it's a science project

1564
01:17:27,050 --> 01:17:25,560
and Science in general is is Guided by

1565
01:17:30,470 --> 01:17:27,060
the principles of sharing and

1566
01:17:32,990 --> 01:17:30,480
cooperation on evidence-based knowledge

1567
01:17:34,729 --> 01:17:33,000
and that's exactly the theme of this

1568
01:17:37,090 --> 01:17:34,739
project we are trying to collect

1569
01:17:39,350 --> 01:17:37,100
evidence and share it with everyone and

1570
01:17:41,510 --> 01:17:39,360
uh because the question that we're

1571
01:17:43,370 --> 01:17:41,520
asking whether you know we are the

1572
01:17:45,590 --> 01:17:43,380
smartest kid on the Block whether there

1573
01:17:47,050 --> 01:17:45,600
is someone out there that kind of a

1574
01:17:50,750 --> 01:17:47,060
question is of interest to everyone

1575
01:17:54,050 --> 01:17:50,760
irrespective of national boundaries of

1576
01:17:55,030 --> 01:17:54,060
ethnic origin or anything it's just like

1577
01:17:58,010 --> 01:17:55,040
science

1578
01:18:00,830 --> 01:17:58,020
uh more generally is trying to address

1579
01:18:03,290 --> 01:18:00,840
questions about nature and and for that

1580
01:18:05,810 --> 01:18:03,300
purpose you know we are make we will

1581
01:18:09,110 --> 01:18:05,820
make the data available and we will have

1582
01:18:12,590 --> 01:18:09,120
an uh a transparent analysis and we Have

1583
01:18:15,590 --> 01:18:12,600
No Agenda whatsoever and uh you know the

1584
01:18:18,530 --> 01:18:15,600
government did not really examine these

1585
01:18:20,870 --> 01:18:18,540
UAP because of a scientific motivation

1586
01:18:22,729 --> 01:18:20,880
they they were just monitoring the sky

1587
01:18:25,669 --> 01:18:22,739
and so something unusual so we are

1588
01:18:27,709 --> 01:18:25,679
saying okay well let us have a closer

1589
01:18:29,510 --> 01:18:27,719
look let us reproduce some of the

1590
01:18:32,209 --> 01:18:29,520
unusual objects and see what they are

1591
01:18:33,950 --> 01:18:32,219
we're trying to help and understand what

1592
01:18:36,189 --> 01:18:33,960
these things are and if they're human

1593
01:18:39,070 --> 01:18:36,199
made we don't care about it if they are

1594
01:18:41,510 --> 01:18:39,080
uh birds or some natural

1595
01:18:44,030 --> 01:18:41,520
have a mundane explanation we don't care

1596
01:18:46,729 --> 01:18:44,040
about it but I should say it's enough to

1597
01:18:48,890 --> 01:18:46,739
have one object let's say or more like

1598
01:18:52,510 --> 01:18:48,900
just one object that came from an

1599
01:18:55,430 --> 01:18:52,520
extraterrestrial origin for this to be

1600
01:18:58,610 --> 01:18:55,440
a major Discovery because it will change

1601
01:19:00,470 --> 01:18:58,620
everything about the way we perceive

1602
01:19:03,890 --> 01:19:00,480
ourselves in the universe it would

1603
01:19:06,229 --> 01:19:03,900
change everything that's the key I mean

1604
01:19:08,209 --> 01:19:06,239
it would change everything before the

1605
01:19:11,090 --> 01:19:08,219
break I want to address something else

1606
01:19:15,189 --> 01:19:11,100
really quick which is this there are

1607
01:19:19,610 --> 01:19:15,199
some out there uh that would say Harvard

1608
01:19:22,310 --> 01:19:19,620
never breaks away from uh the the

1609
01:19:25,910 --> 01:19:22,320
straight and narrow and then there are

1610
01:19:29,090 --> 01:19:25,920
others like me that would say Harvard

1611
01:19:32,930 --> 01:19:29,100
things outside of the box we've had many

1612
01:19:35,330 --> 01:19:32,940
examples of Harvard uh applying an open

1613
01:19:39,050 --> 01:19:35,340
mind to things so I'm going to throw

1614
01:19:43,130 --> 01:19:39,060
that at you could this project have been

1615
01:19:45,770 --> 01:19:43,140
done at another University or or is

1616
01:19:47,870 --> 01:19:45,780
Harvard giving you the freedoms uh that

1617
01:19:50,030 --> 01:19:47,880
you are asking for

1618
01:19:51,470 --> 01:19:50,040
well I believe that it could have been

1619
01:19:53,870 --> 01:19:51,480
done elsewhere

1620
01:19:56,209 --> 01:19:53,880
um it's just a question of whether

1621
01:19:58,130 --> 01:19:56,219
people would dare to pursue it if

1622
01:20:00,169 --> 01:19:58,140
whether they have the self-confidence to

1623
01:20:04,790 --> 01:20:00,179
go against the stream so to speak the

1624
01:20:06,770 --> 01:20:04,800
the uh whether the the the the public or

1625
01:20:10,010 --> 01:20:06,780
the or the media would pay as much

1626
01:20:12,770 --> 01:20:10,020
attention to their arguments uh that's a

1627
01:20:14,750 --> 01:20:12,780
separate matter but uh you know it's

1628
01:20:16,010 --> 01:20:14,760
basically an argument that I'm trying to

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01:20:18,470 --> 01:20:16,020
make as an individual it doesn't

1630
01:20:21,229 --> 01:20:18,480
represent Harvard University and it's

1631
01:20:23,270 --> 01:20:21,239
true that Harvard allowed me to Blossom

1632
01:20:25,250 --> 01:20:23,280
in a way that um wouldn't be possible

1633
01:20:27,530 --> 01:20:25,260
elsewhere you know I got exceptional

1634
01:20:29,870 --> 01:20:27,540
students and post doctoral fellows that

1635
01:20:34,490 --> 01:20:29,880
work with me and I was able to develop

1636
01:20:38,450 --> 01:20:34,500
my career uh uh at Harvard in a way that

1637
01:20:41,149 --> 01:20:38,460
uh enabled me to to make important work

1638
01:20:44,149 --> 01:20:41,159
and but but putting that aside the

1639
01:20:45,830 --> 01:20:44,159
argument itself uh and and the research

1640
01:20:47,270 --> 01:20:45,840
Direction could have been taken anywhere

1641
01:20:49,550 --> 01:20:47,280
you know if you think about the

1642
01:20:52,010 --> 01:20:49,560
albertans Stein he came up with his most

1643
01:20:53,990 --> 01:20:52,020
important ideas before he got important

1644
01:20:56,209 --> 01:20:54,000
positions that the prestigious

1645
01:20:59,629 --> 01:20:56,219
universities he came up with a special

1646
01:21:02,570 --> 01:20:59,639
theory of relativity uh before he was in

1647
01:21:05,990 --> 01:21:02,580
the patent office in Basel and uh you

1648
01:21:09,229 --> 01:21:06,000
know the the in principle anyone can

1649
01:21:11,709 --> 01:21:09,239
think about the good ideas anywhere the

1650
01:21:14,689 --> 01:21:11,719
only issue is that people often are not

1651
01:21:17,090 --> 01:21:14,699
attended to they they do not steer as

1652
01:21:18,950 --> 01:21:17,100
much that the pot if they are in a

1653
01:21:21,169 --> 01:21:18,960
remote place and nobody listens to them

1654
01:21:23,870 --> 01:21:21,179
but they they could nevertheless come up

1655
01:21:27,129 --> 01:21:23,880
with the right ideas now

1656
01:21:29,870 --> 01:21:27,139
um the there's another concern

1657
01:21:32,750 --> 01:21:29,880
uh that I'm sure that you thought about

1658
01:21:34,430 --> 01:21:32,760
is there a possibility we've got uh

1659
01:21:37,450 --> 01:21:34,440
we've got about five minutes before the

1660
01:21:41,090 --> 01:21:37,460
break uh is there

1661
01:21:45,709 --> 01:21:41,100
you may Witness

1662
01:21:48,890 --> 01:21:45,719
a a secret government project right some

1663
01:21:51,770 --> 01:21:48,900
some Hypersonic maybe stationary maybe

1664
01:21:55,010 --> 01:21:51,780
something anti-gravidic some black

1665
01:21:59,030 --> 01:21:55,020
project and and you guys image this

1666
01:22:01,370 --> 01:21:59,040
track this uh shoot video footage and

1667
01:22:03,950 --> 01:22:01,380
expose something that maybe should be

1668
01:22:04,910 --> 01:22:03,960
exposed what are you gonna do if that

1669
01:22:07,189 --> 01:22:04,920
happens

1670
01:22:10,610 --> 01:22:07,199
well I as I said I don't care much about

1671
01:22:13,669 --> 01:22:10,620
human-made things so I for me it would

1672
01:22:15,410 --> 01:22:13,679
be very boring and uh I I wouldn't care

1673
01:22:17,330 --> 01:22:15,420
less about it but you have to understand

1674
01:22:19,669 --> 01:22:17,340
it really depends where we put the

1675
01:22:21,890 --> 01:22:19,679
telescopes so if we put the telescopes

1676
01:22:25,310 --> 01:22:21,900
on a Mountaintop we need a remote

1677
01:22:26,870 --> 01:22:25,320
location it's very unlikely that at that

1678
01:22:28,550 --> 01:22:26,880
location you will have some special

1679
01:22:32,209 --> 01:22:28,560
facilities that belong to the government

1680
01:22:33,950 --> 01:22:32,219
where they they do these things and

1681
01:22:37,189 --> 01:22:33,960
um so

1682
01:22:39,189 --> 01:22:37,199
um you know if the activities that you

1683
01:22:42,110 --> 01:22:39,199
are describing are restricted to

1684
01:22:45,110 --> 01:22:42,120
military facilities or some special

1685
01:22:48,590 --> 01:22:45,120
occasions we we may not see them

1686
01:22:50,930 --> 01:22:48,600
um and then as I said I don't if we can

1687
01:22:53,209 --> 01:22:50,940
tell that the motion is consistent with

1688
01:22:56,390 --> 01:22:53,219
whatever technological equipment is

1689
01:22:59,450 --> 01:22:56,400
available right now to humans uh then we

1690
01:23:02,930 --> 01:22:59,460
will ignore it well okay let me let me

1691
01:23:06,590 --> 01:23:02,940
actually narrow uh the question let's

1692
01:23:09,890 --> 01:23:06,600
say hypothetically that that you you

1693
01:23:13,610 --> 01:23:09,900
tracked the Tic Tac and you photograph

1694
01:23:15,649 --> 01:23:13,620
the Tic Tac it doesn't look conventional

1695
01:23:17,510 --> 01:23:15,659
it looks like a Tic Tac right it's

1696
01:23:22,729 --> 01:23:17,520
traveling it's doing these crazy things

1697
01:23:24,590 --> 01:23:22,739
but but later you find out that it was a

1698
01:23:27,169 --> 01:23:24,600
Northrop Grumman

1699
01:23:29,149 --> 01:23:27,179
project that's what I'm referring to

1700
01:23:32,030 --> 01:23:29,159
something that you so then we we will

1701
01:23:35,030 --> 01:23:32,040
not write about it because then I lose

1702
01:23:37,850 --> 01:23:35,040
my interest in such a thing

1703
01:23:40,850 --> 01:23:37,860
um I'm happy I mean we will not publish

1704
01:23:42,830 --> 01:23:40,860
necessarily a paper about it because you

1705
01:23:45,229 --> 01:23:42,840
know all you learned is that humans are

1706
01:23:47,990 --> 01:23:45,239
doing something but that's not of great

1707
01:23:50,209 --> 01:23:48,000
interest for us a science is astronomers

1708
01:23:52,070 --> 01:23:50,219
I really want to figure out you know if

1709
01:23:53,629 --> 01:23:52,080
it's an atmospheric phenomenon it turns

1710
01:23:55,850 --> 01:23:53,639
out to be something exotic nobody

1711
01:23:58,490 --> 01:23:55,860
thought about that would be worth a

1712
01:24:01,550 --> 01:23:58,500
paper because the atmosphere can do

1713
01:24:03,890 --> 01:24:01,560
these things over and over again in many

1714
01:24:06,050 --> 01:24:03,900
places and you know that will tell us

1715
01:24:08,330 --> 01:24:06,060
something the other thing I wanted to

1716
01:24:10,310 --> 01:24:08,340
mention if we have the equipment placed

1717
01:24:13,430 --> 01:24:10,320
in foreign countries other places you

1718
01:24:16,010 --> 01:24:13,440
know that they may not have any U.S

1719
01:24:19,129 --> 01:24:16,020
technology operating over there sure so

1720
01:24:20,470 --> 01:24:19,139
we hopefully we'll have enough locations

1721
01:24:22,850 --> 01:24:20,480
where we can

1722
01:24:25,790 --> 01:24:22,860
isolate something that came from outside

1723
01:24:27,649 --> 01:24:25,800
the Earth because it will appear in many

1724
01:24:30,410 --> 01:24:27,659
different places where you don't expect

1725
01:24:32,570 --> 01:24:30,420
U.S equipment to be now I'm gonna I'm

1726
01:24:34,250 --> 01:24:32,580
gonna make you uh a prediction right

1727
01:24:38,030 --> 01:24:34,260
here you're going to have more work than

1728
01:24:42,890 --> 01:24:38,040
you can handle there is stuff out there

1729
01:24:47,149 --> 01:24:42,900
and as you know uh the amount of of of

1730
01:24:50,870 --> 01:24:47,159
planets and star systems that number is

1731
01:24:52,790 --> 01:24:50,880
so ginormous that most humans can't even

1732
01:24:55,729 --> 01:24:52,800
contemplate how big those numbers are

1733
01:24:57,709 --> 01:24:55,739
there must be a nearly infinite amount

1734
01:24:59,750 --> 01:24:57,719
of intelligence out there how much of it

1735
01:25:02,570 --> 01:24:59,760
is aware of Earth I don't know but if

1736
01:25:04,790 --> 01:25:02,580
you take a small fraction of that a

1737
01:25:08,629 --> 01:25:04,800
small percentage that would indicate

1738
01:25:10,610 --> 01:25:08,639
we're being visited a lot right well I

1739
01:25:13,370 --> 01:25:10,620
would so I would phrase it differently I

1740
01:25:15,770 --> 01:25:13,380
would say you know most of the stars

1741
01:25:17,689 --> 01:25:15,780
form before the sun and you know by

1742
01:25:20,390 --> 01:25:17,699
before I mean billions of years before

1743
01:25:22,550 --> 01:25:20,400
the Sun so um you know the tens of

1744
01:25:24,470 --> 01:25:22,560
billions of stars like the sun and we

1745
01:25:26,510 --> 01:25:24,480
know that roughly half of them have a

1746
01:25:28,060 --> 01:25:26,520
Planet the size of the Earth roughly at

1747
01:25:29,229 --> 01:25:28,070
the same separation so

1748
01:25:31,550 --> 01:25:29,239
[Applause]

1749
01:25:33,470 --> 01:25:31,560
it's very likely that there was a

1750
01:25:35,149 --> 01:25:33,480
civilization like us or more advanced

1751
01:25:38,270 --> 01:25:35,159
than us that formed a billion years ago

1752
01:25:41,270 --> 01:25:38,280
and if they send artificial intelligence

1753
01:25:43,669 --> 01:25:41,280
systems like we are developing now you

1754
01:25:46,209 --> 01:25:43,679
know that drive our cars that will make

1755
01:25:49,750 --> 01:25:46,219
medical decisions within a decade

1756
01:25:52,610 --> 01:25:49,760
this could outsmart us and

1757
01:25:55,010 --> 01:25:52,620
we can just educate them like we educate

1758
01:25:57,590 --> 01:25:55,020
kids you know train them to cope with

1759
01:26:00,709 --> 01:25:57,600
the world using the guiding principles

1760
01:26:02,570 --> 01:26:00,719
we gave to we give kids you know and and

1761
01:26:05,510 --> 01:26:02,580
eventually we can send them into space

1762
01:26:07,790 --> 01:26:05,520
and if we equip them with 3D printing

1763
01:26:10,310 --> 01:26:07,800
you know they can reproduce themselves

1764
01:26:13,250 --> 01:26:10,320
replicate themselves when they go to

1765
01:26:15,649 --> 01:26:13,260
planets far away and uh within a billion

1766
01:26:17,149 --> 01:26:15,659
years you can pretty much populate the

1767
01:26:19,610 --> 01:26:17,159
entire Milky Way galaxy all the

1768
01:26:22,010 --> 01:26:19,620
habitable planets with probes of this

1769
01:26:23,810 --> 01:26:22,020
type and the question is do we live in

1770
01:26:26,810 --> 01:26:23,820
such a reality where something like that

1771
01:26:28,970 --> 01:26:26,820
was done it was sent originally a

1772
01:26:31,610 --> 01:26:28,980
billion years ago and right now it's

1773
01:26:33,970 --> 01:26:31,620
everywhere and then the only way to

1774
01:26:36,410 --> 01:26:33,980
answer this question is to look to check

1775
01:26:38,629 --> 01:26:36,420
rather than assume that we are the first

1776
01:26:40,729 --> 01:26:38,639
to come along we are really special and

1777
01:26:42,470 --> 01:26:40,739
unique and there is no point in and we

1778
01:26:44,030 --> 01:26:42,480
really need extraordinary evidence

1779
01:26:46,729 --> 01:26:44,040
before we even engage in this

1780
01:26:49,310 --> 01:26:46,739
possibility thank you for saying that

1781
01:26:52,310 --> 01:26:49,320
that's an extraordinary statement but it

1782
01:26:55,310 --> 01:26:52,320
is just based on reality there isn't

1783
01:26:57,050 --> 01:26:55,320
another way logically to look at any of

1784
01:26:59,750 --> 01:26:57,060
this Avi stay right there our guest

1785
01:27:02,270 --> 01:26:59,760
tonight Professor avilo we are

1786
01:27:04,430 --> 01:27:02,280
discussing the Galileo project I'm Yours

1787
01:27:06,169 --> 01:27:04,440
Timmy church this is Fade to Black stay

1788
01:27:12,040 --> 01:27:06,179
with us we'll be right back after this

1789
01:27:15,710 --> 01:27:14,270
[Music]

1790
01:27:22,490 --> 01:27:15,720
foreign

1791
01:27:28,970 --> 01:27:25,330
way out here we listened to Jimmy Church

1792
01:27:30,950 --> 01:27:28,980
you're listening to Fade to Black

1793
01:27:33,649 --> 01:27:30,960
always on the edge of the hottest

1794
01:27:39,649 --> 01:27:33,659
alternative talk Jimmy church with Fade

1795
01:27:39,659 --> 01:27:50,629
advocacy

1796
01:27:55,430 --> 01:27:53,030
do you want to be an official fate or

1797
01:27:57,950 --> 01:27:55,440
not of course you do this is Jimmy

1798
01:27:59,149 --> 01:27:57,960
Church of Fade to Black just go to our

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membership section at

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fader knots when you think about the

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future of our country and where we're

1802
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headed do you wonder about the food

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supply I do disruptions in the food

1804
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supply chain could be disastrous and

1805
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they usually occur with little warning

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today is to stockpile emergency food

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1836
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1838
01:29:54,430 --> 01:29:48,770
you are listening to fade to black with

1839
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s you're listening to Jimmy Church this

1840
01:30:04,910 --> 01:30:00,719
is Revolution the revolution will not be

1841
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televised the revolution is on radio

1842
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[Music]

1843
01:30:45,980 --> 01:30:49,129
thank you

1844
01:30:52,610 --> 01:30:50,990
welcome back this is Fade to Black I'm

1845
01:30:54,950 --> 01:30:52,620
your host Jimmy church tonight Professor

1846
01:30:57,950 --> 01:30:54,960
Avi Loeb joins us want to remind

1847
01:31:00,169 --> 01:30:57,960
everybody that tomorrow night I'm taking

1848
01:31:02,750 --> 01:31:00,179
the night off

1849
01:31:04,669 --> 01:31:02,760
only time I'm gonna say it tonight no I

1850
01:31:07,850 --> 01:31:04,679
just said it I'm taking tomorrow off

1851
01:31:10,610 --> 01:31:07,860
okay all right tonight professor avilobe

1852
01:31:13,910 --> 01:31:10,620
and we are talking about the Galileo

1853
01:31:17,090 --> 01:31:13,920
project we have put up in all of our

1854
01:31:19,310 --> 01:31:17,100
social media links to how you can help

1855
01:31:21,890 --> 01:31:19,320
support the project and fund it any

1856
01:31:23,450 --> 01:31:21,900
amount the links are up and it'll take

1857
01:31:26,629 --> 01:31:23,460
you straight to the Galileo project

1858
01:31:30,410 --> 01:31:26,639
website and you will follow and see the

1859
01:31:32,689 --> 01:31:30,420
link there and it it says fund us and

1860
01:31:35,810 --> 01:31:32,699
then donations to the Galileo project

1861
01:31:38,750 --> 01:31:35,820
all the links are up in social media now

1862
01:31:41,570 --> 01:31:38,760
um Avi oh by the way it's pretty cool

1863
01:31:45,950 --> 01:31:41,580
that I can just address

1864
01:31:47,810 --> 01:31:45,960
a professor at Harvard as avi avi let's

1865
01:31:51,649 --> 01:31:47,820
let's let's

1866
01:31:54,050 --> 01:31:51,659
second

1867
01:31:57,410 --> 01:31:54,060
um one of the things that you have

1868
01:32:00,110 --> 01:31:57,420
mentioned and I'm starting to hear more

1869
01:32:04,330 --> 01:32:00,120
and more chatter about the ability and

1870
01:32:09,590 --> 01:32:04,340
the technology to do this is to peer out

1871
01:32:13,669 --> 01:32:09,600
and and Pierce the atmospheres of of

1872
01:32:17,689 --> 01:32:13,679
distant uh planets and look at their

1873
01:32:20,450 --> 01:32:17,699
atmosphere also maybe city lights right

1874
01:32:22,910 --> 01:32:20,460
um some some industry and this was

1875
01:32:26,810 --> 01:32:22,920
something that you started uh research

1876
01:32:29,209 --> 01:32:26,820
on a while ago uh can we discuss that

1877
01:32:31,129 --> 01:32:29,219
for a second and will that be part of

1878
01:32:34,189 --> 01:32:31,139
the Galileo project

1879
01:32:36,169 --> 01:32:34,199
yeah that will not be part but indeed

1880
01:32:37,729 --> 01:32:36,179
over the past five years or so I wrote

1881
01:32:40,030 --> 01:32:37,739
the scientific papers on these

1882
01:32:44,629 --> 01:32:40,040
possibilities so the first one is

1883
01:32:47,270 --> 01:32:44,639
imagine a planet where there is industry

1884
01:32:49,189 --> 01:32:47,280
just like we developed them uh

1885
01:32:50,990 --> 01:32:49,199
Industries and

1886
01:32:53,390 --> 01:32:51,000
um and you can get the industrial

1887
01:32:56,330 --> 01:32:53,400
pollution of the atmosphere just like we

1888
01:32:59,149 --> 01:32:56,340
pollute the atmosphere with the CFCs

1889
01:33:01,070 --> 01:32:59,159
these are the molecules that destroy the

1890
01:33:01,729 --> 01:33:01,080
ozone layer and

1891
01:33:04,010 --> 01:33:01,739
um

1892
01:33:05,870 --> 01:33:04,020
we can potentially search for such

1893
01:33:08,330 --> 01:33:05,880
molecules in the atmosphere of another

1894
01:33:10,610 --> 01:33:08,340
planet the astronomers are mainly

1895
01:33:12,470 --> 01:33:10,620
thinking about looking for oxygen or

1896
01:33:15,050 --> 01:33:12,480
methane that are indicative of primitive

1897
01:33:18,350 --> 01:33:15,060
life like microbes but one thing to keep

1898
01:33:21,110 --> 01:33:18,360
in mind is the Earth had microbes from

1899
01:33:22,729 --> 01:33:21,120
the beginning almost and for two billion

1900
01:33:24,590 --> 01:33:22,739
years even though there were microbes

1901
01:33:26,810 --> 01:33:24,600
there wasn't much oxygen in the

1902
01:33:29,330 --> 01:33:26,820
atmosphere of Earth we don't fully

1903
01:33:31,490 --> 01:33:29,340
understand why but the atmosphere did

1904
01:33:34,189 --> 01:33:31,500
not have much oxygen so if you don't

1905
01:33:36,649 --> 01:33:34,199
that's half of the lifetime of Earth so

1906
01:33:38,090 --> 01:33:36,659
if you don't find oxygen in the

1907
01:33:40,850 --> 01:33:38,100
atmosphere of another planet it doesn't

1908
01:33:43,189 --> 01:33:40,860
tell you and that there is no life there

1909
01:33:47,090 --> 01:33:43,199
because Earth itself spent half of its

1910
01:33:48,890 --> 01:33:47,100
lifetime in that situation if you do

1911
01:33:51,169 --> 01:33:48,900
find oxygen again it doesn't tell you

1912
01:33:53,870 --> 01:33:51,179
that there is life because you can get

1913
01:33:56,930 --> 01:33:53,880
oxygen from natural chemical processes

1914
01:33:58,970 --> 01:33:56,940
but if you find these CFCs these complex

1915
01:34:01,129 --> 01:33:58,980
molecules that nature doesn't produce on

1916
01:34:04,430 --> 01:34:01,139
its own then you know that not only

1917
01:34:06,470 --> 01:34:04,440
there is life but actually the the there

1918
01:34:08,990 --> 01:34:06,480
are Industries on that planet that

1919
01:34:12,350 --> 01:34:09,000
pollute the atmosphere and that would be

1920
01:34:14,390 --> 01:34:12,360
very exciting to find so my point is the

1921
01:34:17,870 --> 01:34:14,400
same instruments we are developing to

1922
01:34:19,550 --> 01:34:17,880
search for oxygen or from methane can in

1923
01:34:21,229 --> 01:34:19,560
principle be used to search for

1924
01:34:23,689 --> 01:34:21,239
industrial pollution and that would be

1925
01:34:27,470 --> 01:34:23,699
quite interesting and and the second

1926
01:34:30,890 --> 01:34:27,480
thing is City Lights I wrote the paper

1927
01:34:33,470 --> 01:34:30,900
just um a few months ago with an

1928
01:34:35,510 --> 01:34:33,480
undergraduate at the Stanford where we

1929
01:34:38,629 --> 01:34:35,520
said that the James Webb Space Telescope

1930
01:34:41,450 --> 01:34:38,639
can look for city lights on the nearest

1931
01:34:44,330 --> 01:34:41,460
a habitable planet to the solar system

1932
01:34:47,450 --> 01:34:44,340
and that's the planet near a Proxima

1933
01:34:49,550 --> 01:34:47,460
Centauri the nearest star uh and that

1934
01:34:51,410 --> 01:34:49,560
planet is very close to the star so it

1935
01:34:53,390 --> 01:34:51,420
has a permanent dayside and a permanent

1936
01:34:55,729 --> 01:34:53,400
night side and if you imagine a

1937
01:34:58,430 --> 01:34:55,739
civilization living on it they might

1938
01:35:00,290 --> 01:34:58,440
want to transfer electricity to the

1939
01:35:03,470 --> 01:35:00,300
night side and illuminate the night side

1940
01:35:05,629 --> 01:35:03,480
because it's permanently dark and with

1941
01:35:08,750 --> 01:35:05,639
the James Webb Space Telescope we can

1942
01:35:10,550 --> 01:35:08,760
tell whether the dark hemisphere is

1943
01:35:12,709 --> 01:35:10,560
really dark or whether it has some light

1944
01:35:15,530 --> 01:35:12,719
on it because as the planet moves around

1945
01:35:19,129 --> 01:35:15,540
the star you see different phases of it

1946
01:35:21,530 --> 01:35:19,139
just like phases of the moon and if the

1947
01:35:23,930 --> 01:35:21,540
dark side is not really dark you know

1948
01:35:25,910 --> 01:35:23,940
the phases would look different so we

1949
01:35:27,129 --> 01:35:25,920
made a prediction for how well we can

1950
01:35:30,790 --> 01:35:27,139
constrain

1951
01:35:34,729 --> 01:35:30,800
uh the night side and on Proxima

1952
01:35:36,890 --> 01:35:34,739
Centauri B this planet and and what kind

1953
01:35:39,590 --> 01:35:36,900
of artificial illumination what level of

1954
01:35:42,109 --> 01:35:39,600
artificial illumination can we detect uh

1955
01:35:44,270 --> 01:35:42,119
from City Lights On the Dark Side what

1956
01:35:47,990 --> 01:35:44,280
would an Etc

1957
01:35:49,790 --> 01:35:48,000
uh see visually of Earth from great

1958
01:35:51,649 --> 01:35:49,800
distances would they be able to see

1959
01:35:55,129 --> 01:35:51,659
exactly how you're presenting it here

1960
01:35:56,750 --> 01:35:55,139
would they see Los Angeles or New York

1961
01:35:59,209 --> 01:35:56,760
or Taiwan

1962
01:36:02,209 --> 01:35:59,219
well it depends how sensitive they're or

1963
01:36:06,350 --> 01:36:02,219
how big their telescopes are but

1964
01:36:09,290 --> 01:36:06,360
um the illumination of the night side of

1965
01:36:13,129 --> 01:36:09,300
Earth is is really small it's a percent

1966
01:36:16,430 --> 01:36:13,139
of a percent of the day side you know

1967
01:36:19,669 --> 01:36:16,440
it's very small it because city lights

1968
01:36:22,250 --> 01:36:19,679
are sparse you know there aren't many uh

1969
01:36:24,290 --> 01:36:22,260
locations where you have city lights and

1970
01:36:27,790 --> 01:36:24,300
all together you have a small fraction

1971
01:36:30,530 --> 01:36:27,800
of the earth even the the

1972
01:36:31,970 --> 01:36:30,540
continents you know that that are

1973
01:36:35,270 --> 01:36:31,980
illuminated not to speak about the

1974
01:36:38,330 --> 01:36:35,280
oceans that was dark at night so

1975
01:36:39,890 --> 01:36:38,340
um it will be very challenging but with

1976
01:36:42,410 --> 01:36:39,900
a big enough telescope you could

1977
01:36:46,090 --> 01:36:42,420
potentially detect it uh of course on

1978
01:36:48,050 --> 01:36:46,100
the earth you also can look for these

1979
01:36:50,629 --> 01:36:48,060
molecules that I mentioned before for

1980
01:36:54,649 --> 01:36:50,639
industrial pollution uh

1981
01:36:56,950 --> 01:36:54,659
so there are ways to tell that we have

1982
01:36:59,689 --> 01:36:56,960
in a technological

1983
01:37:02,149 --> 01:36:59,699
activity here and of course the most

1984
01:37:04,189 --> 01:37:02,159
obvious one is the radio signals that

1985
01:37:09,229 --> 01:37:04,199
we're sending out they went a distance

1986
01:37:10,510 --> 01:37:09,239
of 126 light years so far because 126

1987
01:37:13,370 --> 01:37:10,520
years ago

1988
01:37:15,350 --> 01:37:13,380
Marconi transmitted the first radio

1989
01:37:17,689 --> 01:37:15,360
signal so since then we've been

1990
01:37:20,750 --> 01:37:17,699
transmitting without thinking about it

1991
01:37:22,669 --> 01:37:20,760
and uh you know when you go in the

1992
01:37:24,530 --> 01:37:22,679
wilderness you have to be careful you

1993
01:37:26,570 --> 01:37:24,540
have to be quiet because you never know

1994
01:37:28,970 --> 01:37:26,580
who is listening and whether there are

1995
01:37:31,209 --> 01:37:28,980
predators out there but we weren't very

1996
01:37:34,370 --> 01:37:31,219
very careful about that

1997
01:37:37,790 --> 01:37:34,380
this is I want to discuss that for just

1998
01:37:39,770 --> 01:37:37,800
a second because our window and we can

1999
01:37:42,050 --> 01:37:39,780
think about television and radio signals

2000
01:37:44,390 --> 01:37:42,060
and at one point we didn't even care

2001
01:37:47,149 --> 01:37:44,400
about wattage we were just blasting out

2002
01:37:49,370 --> 01:37:47,159
massive radio signals

2003
01:37:50,709 --> 01:37:49,380
um without consideration of of other

2004
01:37:54,050 --> 01:37:50,719
things but

2005
01:37:58,310 --> 01:37:54,060
now that window of radio and television

2006
01:38:01,850 --> 01:37:58,320
signals has closed down because we are

2007
01:38:04,129 --> 01:38:01,860
using you know the cable and Optics and

2008
01:38:07,669 --> 01:38:04,139
our transmission for communications Now

2009
01:38:10,669 --> 01:38:07,679
isn't necessarily through uh radio and

2010
01:38:13,070 --> 01:38:10,679
television signals would that be a same

2011
01:38:16,910 --> 01:38:13,080
the same consideration uh when looking

2012
01:38:19,010 --> 01:38:16,920
for signals from an Etc and that they

2013
01:38:20,750 --> 01:38:19,020
may have gone through the same uh

2014
01:38:23,390 --> 01:38:20,760
Evolution that we have where they did

2015
01:38:25,010 --> 01:38:23,400
radio signals for a hundred years but

2016
01:38:28,490 --> 01:38:25,020
now everything is now closed down in

2017
01:38:30,229 --> 01:38:28,500
digital yeah I think it's very possible

2018
01:38:32,689 --> 01:38:30,239
that this is the reason we are not

2019
01:38:34,370 --> 01:38:32,699
detecting a lot of radio signals and I

2020
01:38:35,990 --> 01:38:34,380
think it was the wrong approach for the

2021
01:38:38,510 --> 01:38:36,000
search for extraterrestrial intelligence

2022
01:38:39,890 --> 01:38:38,520
because it's just like trying to have a

2023
01:38:42,410 --> 01:38:39,900
phone conversation you need the

2024
01:38:44,930 --> 01:38:42,420
counterpart to be alive when you're

2025
01:38:47,629 --> 01:38:44,940
having the conversation and instead a

2026
01:38:49,970 --> 01:38:47,639
much better approach is like archeology

2027
01:38:52,669 --> 01:38:49,980
where you're searching for relics that

2028
01:38:55,129 --> 01:38:52,679
the counterpart left behind and that

2029
01:38:56,810 --> 01:38:55,139
includes equipment in space that's what

2030
01:38:58,129 --> 01:38:56,820
the Galileo project is about that's what

2031
01:39:01,010 --> 01:38:58,139
I was advocating in my book

2032
01:39:04,030 --> 01:39:01,020
extraterrestrial doing archeology in

2033
01:39:07,790 --> 01:39:04,040
space looking for objects left behind by

2034
01:39:10,729 --> 01:39:07,800
past civilizations that predated us now

2035
01:39:14,149 --> 01:39:10,739
uh now let's let's shift gears again

2036
01:39:16,550 --> 01:39:14,159
um and I want to go back to a couple of

2037
01:39:19,609 --> 01:39:16,560
points this all revolves around the

2038
01:39:22,490 --> 01:39:19,619
Galileo project but it's some of the the

2039
01:39:26,649 --> 01:39:22,500
little nuggets in your book that I have

2040
01:39:29,649 --> 01:39:26,659
picked up on uh the first is all

2041
01:39:34,430 --> 01:39:29,659
you've have described it

2042
01:39:37,070 --> 01:39:34,440
as a buoy that it and when you describe

2043
01:39:39,830 --> 01:39:37,080
it before it got here does that mean it

2044
01:39:42,470 --> 01:39:39,840
was it had a specific point in space

2045
01:39:45,109 --> 01:39:42,480
where it was stationed where it was

2046
01:39:48,109 --> 01:39:45,119
parked where it was anchored before

2047
01:39:50,450 --> 01:39:48,119
movement started am I understanding that

2048
01:39:53,450 --> 01:39:50,460
uh that comparison

2049
01:39:56,030 --> 01:39:53,460
yeah so there is the notion of the local

2050
01:39:58,790 --> 01:39:56,040
standard of rest which is sort of like

2051
01:40:00,470 --> 01:39:58,800
the galactic parking lot that's that's

2052
01:40:02,270 --> 01:40:00,480
the frame of reference that you get to

2053
01:40:05,090 --> 01:40:02,280
when you average over the Motions of all

2054
01:40:07,070 --> 01:40:05,100
the stars in the vicinity of the Sun and

2055
01:40:08,570 --> 01:40:07,080
then you know stars move relative to

2056
01:40:10,850 --> 01:40:08,580
each other in the vicinity of the sun

2057
01:40:12,970 --> 01:40:10,860
you average over them and then you get

2058
01:40:16,430 --> 01:40:12,980
to the galactic frame of reference and

2059
01:40:18,410 --> 01:40:16,440
uh omomo was at rest in that frame which

2060
01:40:20,570 --> 01:40:18,420
is very surprising because all the stars

2061
01:40:24,109 --> 01:40:20,580
move relative to that frame only one in

2062
01:40:27,410 --> 01:40:24,119
500 stars is so much at rest so Momo was

2063
01:40:30,350 --> 01:40:27,420
so sort of like finding a car parked in

2064
01:40:33,709 --> 01:40:30,360
a parking lot in a city where you have

2065
01:40:36,890 --> 01:40:33,719
cars moving by passing by at different

2066
01:40:38,689 --> 01:40:36,900
speeds and first thing you you realize

2067
01:40:40,970 --> 01:40:38,699
is that it couldn't have come from any

2068
01:40:42,770 --> 01:40:40,980
of the nearby stars because they are

2069
01:40:44,810 --> 01:40:42,780
moving relative to that frame and it

2070
01:40:45,590 --> 01:40:44,820
would have inherited their motion so it

2071
01:40:48,050 --> 01:40:45,600
doesn't

2072
01:40:50,510 --> 01:40:48,060
move relative to the local standard of

2073
01:40:53,209 --> 01:40:50,520
for instance the other thing to think

2074
01:40:56,209 --> 01:40:53,219
about is maybe that serves a certain

2075
01:40:57,950 --> 01:40:56,219
purpose because maybe there is a grid of

2076
01:41:01,490 --> 01:40:57,960
objects

2077
01:41:04,970 --> 01:41:01,500
um that the mark Interstellar space it's

2078
01:41:09,890 --> 01:41:08,149
um posts you know Road posts that if you

2079
01:41:11,209 --> 01:41:09,900
were to navigate through Interstellar

2080
01:41:14,510 --> 01:41:11,219
space they provide you with information

2081
01:41:16,189 --> 01:41:14,520
about where you are and that could be a

2082
01:41:19,550 --> 01:41:16,199
reason for it to be at rest in that

2083
01:41:22,070 --> 01:41:19,560
frame uh but what happened was basically

2084
01:41:24,350 --> 01:41:22,080
the sun bumped into it the sun is moving

2085
01:41:27,709 --> 01:41:24,360
relative to that frame and it bumped

2086
01:41:30,709 --> 01:41:27,719
against it and just gave it a kick sort

2087
01:41:32,990 --> 01:41:30,719
of like a racket that hits a ping-pong

2088
01:41:34,729 --> 01:41:33,000
ball and gives it a kick and uh that's

2089
01:41:36,950 --> 01:41:34,739
what happened with the Sun so the motion

2090
01:41:38,510 --> 01:41:36,960
of the sun relative to the object is the

2091
01:41:42,709 --> 01:41:38,520
motion of the sun relative to the local

2092
01:41:46,250 --> 01:41:42,719
style of the France and so it's LSR it's

2093
01:41:48,830 --> 01:41:46,260
local standard of rest were you able to

2094
01:41:51,410 --> 01:41:48,840
pinpoint it by backtracking into the

2095
01:41:54,290 --> 01:41:51,420
data and finding out where it was

2096
01:41:56,450 --> 01:41:54,300
anchored so to speak

2097
01:42:00,890 --> 01:41:56,460
yeah yeah I mean we know where it

2098
01:42:03,590 --> 01:42:00,900
started because we know when the sun is

2099
01:42:05,689 --> 01:42:03,600
sort of collided with it so it was

2100
01:42:07,550 --> 01:42:05,699
pretty much at that location close to

2101
01:42:11,090 --> 01:42:07,560
that location and the sun just ran into

2102
01:42:12,890 --> 01:42:11,100
it and deflected it you know gave it a

2103
01:42:15,709 --> 01:42:12,900
kick through its gravitational force

2104
01:42:18,530 --> 01:42:15,719
that's what happened and there must be a

2105
01:42:20,450 --> 01:42:18,540
lot of other objects like it because

2106
01:42:22,189 --> 01:42:20,460
um you know what's the chance that we'll

2107
01:42:24,109 --> 01:42:22,199
be looking at the sky and finding this

2108
01:42:27,709 --> 01:42:24,119
object within a few years of starting

2109
01:42:29,750 --> 01:42:27,719
the survey it's quite small and it took

2110
01:42:32,149 --> 01:42:29,760
about 10 000 years for this object to

2111
01:42:34,970 --> 01:42:32,159
cross the solar system the entire solar

2112
01:42:38,450 --> 01:42:34,980
system so it was clearly not the design

2113
01:42:40,370 --> 01:42:38,460
to go after us so to speak but it could

2114
01:42:42,590 --> 01:42:40,380
have been and it could have served

2115
01:42:44,750 --> 01:42:42,600
another purpose it could have been for

2116
01:42:47,090 --> 01:42:44,760
example a receiver that collects data

2117
01:42:49,669 --> 01:42:47,100
from probes and that's why it was

2118
01:42:51,470 --> 01:42:49,679
tumbling in all directions and maybe

2119
01:42:54,770 --> 01:42:51,480
there are probes in the solar system

2120
01:42:57,070 --> 01:42:54,780
like this UAP that they provided with

2121
01:42:59,689 --> 01:42:57,080
information when it comes close to them

2122
01:43:01,970 --> 01:42:59,699
we just don't know we didn't collect

2123
01:43:04,129 --> 01:43:01,980
enough data on this object we don't know

2124
01:43:06,350 --> 01:43:04,139
for sure whether it's artificial we

2125
01:43:09,350 --> 01:43:06,360
don't know what its purpose is but

2126
01:43:11,330 --> 01:43:09,360
that's the reason for getting more data

2127
01:43:14,870 --> 01:43:11,340
for trying to figure out the nature of

2128
01:43:19,490 --> 01:43:14,880
these unusual objects now with something

2129
01:43:23,570 --> 01:43:19,500
that is in an LSR State okay let's just

2130
01:43:26,629 --> 01:43:23,580
go with that if it's not in motion it

2131
01:43:28,550 --> 01:43:26,639
must be difficult to detect I mean you

2132
01:43:31,129 --> 01:43:28,560
wouldn't you wouldn't be able to see it

2133
01:43:33,470 --> 01:43:31,139
first it's too small and it's out in

2134
01:43:35,689 --> 01:43:33,480
space right yeah it's roughly the size

2135
01:43:38,450 --> 01:43:35,699
of a football field and you can see it

2136
01:43:40,790 --> 01:43:38,460
when it crosses the orbit of the Earth

2137
01:43:43,430 --> 01:43:40,800
around the Sun and that's when we saw it

2138
01:43:46,490 --> 01:43:43,440
we noticed it only at that distance the

2139
01:43:48,410 --> 01:43:46,500
sun the sun the illumination by the Sun

2140
01:43:50,570 --> 01:43:48,420
is bright enough for for you to notice

2141
01:43:52,310 --> 01:43:50,580
it it's sort of like having a Lamppost

2142
01:43:55,790 --> 01:43:52,320
the sun is a Lamppost that illuminates

2143
01:43:58,189 --> 01:43:55,800
the darkness around us and and only when

2144
01:43:59,990 --> 01:43:58,199
a fly gets close to the Lamppost you see

2145
01:44:02,149 --> 01:44:00,000
it when the fly is far away you don't

2146
01:44:04,189 --> 01:44:02,159
see it so when you look around the

2147
01:44:06,649 --> 01:44:04,199
Lamppost on on the street you know you

2148
01:44:08,930 --> 01:44:06,659
see flies around it those flies are

2149
01:44:10,550 --> 01:44:08,940
everywhere not just around you know the

2150
01:44:12,530 --> 01:44:10,560
lamp post but you can't see them far

2151
01:44:15,290 --> 01:44:12,540
away and the same was true about the

2152
01:44:17,390 --> 01:44:15,300
omumua and now it's a million times

2153
01:44:20,629 --> 01:44:17,400
fainted and it was close to the Sun so

2154
01:44:23,750 --> 01:44:20,639
we can't really uh see it anymore now

2155
01:44:26,209 --> 01:44:23,760
Let's Fold this over into the Galileo

2156
01:44:29,750 --> 01:44:26,219
project there's a reason why I do things

2157
01:44:32,870 --> 01:44:29,760
the way I do Avi which is this now that

2158
01:44:36,950 --> 01:44:32,880
you know that omu mua is not only

2159
01:44:40,609 --> 01:44:36,960
possible but uh how tricky it is to

2160
01:44:43,430 --> 01:44:40,619
track photograph uh capture imagery and

2161
01:44:46,010 --> 01:44:43,440
and collect data now you have that

2162
01:44:47,510 --> 01:44:46,020
knowledge going in with the Galileo

2163
01:44:51,169 --> 01:44:47,520
project

2164
01:44:53,570 --> 01:44:51,179
um how would you track uh something like

2165
01:44:56,510 --> 01:44:53,580
that with the Galileo project and how

2166
01:44:59,689 --> 01:44:56,520
would you capture sure the Imaging

2167
01:45:01,729 --> 01:44:59,699
so um as I said the Galileo project has

2168
01:45:03,890 --> 01:45:01,739
two objectives one is very nearby

2169
01:45:06,950 --> 01:45:03,900
objects that are in the earth atmosphere

2170
01:45:09,290 --> 01:45:06,960
these are the UAP and for them we will

2171
01:45:10,970 --> 01:45:09,300
use the setup of these telescopes that I

2172
01:45:13,370 --> 01:45:10,980
was talking about maybe if we have

2173
01:45:16,090 --> 01:45:13,380
enough funding and I just got an email

2174
01:45:19,669 --> 01:45:16,100
from someone that donated 500

2175
01:45:23,149 --> 01:45:19,679
if we get enough funding then we can put

2176
01:45:25,910 --> 01:45:23,159
a lot of these telescopes maybe hundreds

2177
01:45:27,530 --> 01:45:25,920
at Best Around the Globe and and the

2178
01:45:30,590 --> 01:45:27,540
monitoring enough of the sky to make

2179
01:45:33,129 --> 01:45:30,600
discoveries and find new objects like

2180
01:45:35,930 --> 01:45:33,139
that in the earth atmosphere

2181
01:45:37,390 --> 01:45:35,940
at the same time we hope to find objects

2182
01:45:40,129 --> 01:45:37,400
like

2183
01:45:42,169 --> 01:45:40,139
you know in space within the orbit of

2184
01:45:45,350 --> 01:45:42,179
the Earth around the Sun and and if we

2185
01:45:47,510 --> 01:45:45,360
have a Space Telescope like jwst or like

2186
01:45:49,910 --> 01:45:47,520
others that would be launched in the

2187
01:45:52,189 --> 01:45:49,920
coming decade they can look at the

2188
01:45:55,189 --> 01:45:52,199
object from different directions then

2189
01:45:57,050 --> 01:45:55,199
the telescopes on Earth so if we see

2190
01:45:59,629 --> 01:45:57,060
this same object from different actions

2191
01:46:02,090 --> 01:45:59,639
we can track the the three-dimensional

2192
01:46:05,149 --> 01:46:02,100
motion of the object much better we can

2193
01:46:06,950 --> 01:46:05,159
also infer something about its shape

2194
01:46:09,290 --> 01:46:06,960
because the reflection of sunlight is

2195
01:46:11,330 --> 01:46:09,300
different in different directions so we

2196
01:46:13,430 --> 01:46:11,340
will learn much more if we were to have

2197
01:46:15,669 --> 01:46:13,440
multiple telescopes looking at the same

2198
01:46:18,410 --> 01:46:15,679
object from different directions

2199
01:46:21,590 --> 01:46:18,420
for example if there was a telescope at

2200
01:46:23,950 --> 01:46:21,600
a LaGrange Point far away from Earth uh

2201
01:46:26,990 --> 01:46:23,960
that would have that would help us a lot

2202
01:46:29,330 --> 01:46:27,000
and then you know ultimately we might

2203
01:46:32,109 --> 01:46:29,340
want to design a space mission that will

2204
01:46:35,510 --> 01:46:32,119
come close to an object of Interest like

2205
01:46:38,390 --> 01:46:35,520
and take a close-up photograph now uh

2206
01:46:40,850 --> 01:46:38,400
and what about response time because one

2207
01:46:45,350 --> 01:46:40,860
of the problems with omu mua was

2208
01:46:46,970 --> 01:46:45,360
everybody was caught by surprise and can

2209
01:46:50,750 --> 01:46:46,980
you imagine if we were able to have

2210
01:46:53,209 --> 01:46:50,760
jumped on omumua quicker and what we

2211
01:46:56,390 --> 01:46:53,219
would have learned well now you have

2212
01:47:00,109 --> 01:46:56,400
that experience will your response time

2213
01:47:03,470 --> 01:47:00,119
in space not terrestrial but in space be

2214
01:47:07,490 --> 01:47:03,480
be Amplified and extremely quick

2215
01:47:09,470 --> 01:47:07,500
that's right and then and now you know

2216
01:47:12,169 --> 01:47:09,480
we can think of more and more as a

2217
01:47:14,149 --> 01:47:12,179
wake-up call it basically tells us there

2218
01:47:16,790 --> 01:47:14,159
is something to look out for out there

2219
01:47:19,250 --> 01:47:16,800
and uh even if most of the time we find

2220
01:47:21,470 --> 01:47:19,260
rocks every now and then we we might

2221
01:47:25,370 --> 01:47:21,480
find a plastic bottle and we better

2222
01:47:27,709 --> 01:47:25,380
check and then all together I think uh

2223
01:47:30,169 --> 01:47:27,719
collecting evidence is important because

2224
01:47:32,209 --> 01:47:30,179
even if we end up finding something that

2225
01:47:34,790 --> 01:47:32,219
was produced by Nature that is not

2226
01:47:36,649 --> 01:47:34,800
artificial not technological and it

2227
01:47:38,689 --> 01:47:36,659
turns out that omumua was a hydrogen

2228
01:47:40,629 --> 01:47:38,699
Iceberg or a nitrogen Iceberg something

2229
01:47:43,850 --> 01:47:40,639
we've never seen before

2230
01:47:45,470 --> 01:47:43,860
we still learn something new that in

2231
01:47:46,970 --> 01:47:45,480
addition to the Rocks we find in the

2232
01:47:48,649 --> 01:47:46,980
solar system there are nurseries that

2233
01:47:50,629 --> 01:47:48,659
make objects that are different from

2234
01:47:52,790 --> 01:47:50,639
what we find in the solar system

2235
01:47:54,550 --> 01:47:52,800
and so be it you know we learned

2236
01:47:57,649 --> 01:47:54,560
something new we didn't know that before

2237
01:48:00,169 --> 01:47:57,659
and the way to to learn is by getting

2238
01:48:01,970 --> 01:48:00,179
data not by assuming that we know the

2239
01:48:03,709 --> 01:48:01,980
answer in advance and that was the

2240
01:48:05,510 --> 01:48:03,719
mistake made by the philosophers during

2241
01:48:07,010 --> 01:48:05,520
the days of Galileo that they didn't

2242
01:48:09,169 --> 01:48:07,020
want to look through his telescope

2243
01:48:11,570 --> 01:48:09,179
because they knew that the sun moves

2244
01:48:13,189 --> 01:48:11,580
around the earth and we don't want to

2245
01:48:16,090 --> 01:48:13,199
repeat that mistake

2246
01:48:20,570 --> 01:48:16,100
okay now

2247
01:48:22,390 --> 01:48:20,580
Let's uh let's talk about something

2248
01:48:26,450 --> 01:48:22,400
a little different

2249
01:48:29,149 --> 01:48:26,460
there are things inside of our solar

2250
01:48:32,510 --> 01:48:29,159
system that have been photographed and

2251
01:48:36,050 --> 01:48:32,520
commented on but nothing has been

2252
01:48:38,149 --> 01:48:36,060
followed up and specifically I'll bring

2253
01:48:41,870 --> 01:48:38,159
up the monolithum Phobos

2254
01:48:45,229 --> 01:48:41,880
where if you look at those photographs

2255
01:48:47,570 --> 01:48:45,239
in the initial Imaging one would say

2256
01:48:50,149 --> 01:48:47,580
clearly that that looks artificial

2257
01:48:52,490 --> 01:48:50,159
are you going to go and and take a look

2258
01:48:54,290 --> 01:48:52,500
at some of these anomalies inside of our

2259
01:48:58,010 --> 01:48:54,300
solar system

2260
01:49:00,109 --> 01:48:58,020
uh not at first I'm really after objects

2261
01:49:03,350 --> 01:49:00,119
that are floating out there either in

2262
01:49:04,970 --> 01:49:03,360
the atmosphere or in space but you are

2263
01:49:07,850 --> 01:49:04,980
right that there is a whole new frontier

2264
01:49:10,070 --> 01:49:07,860
that can be pursued which is artifacts

2265
01:49:12,590 --> 01:49:10,080
on planets and that includes also

2266
01:49:15,169 --> 01:49:12,600
artifacts on the moon because you know

2267
01:49:17,689 --> 01:49:15,179
the moon has no geological activity and

2268
01:49:19,850 --> 01:49:17,699
it doesn't turn around you know the the

2269
01:49:22,490 --> 01:49:19,860
outer layers stay where they are they

2270
01:49:24,709 --> 01:49:22,500
stay that way for billions of years and

2271
01:49:27,709 --> 01:49:24,719
there is no atmosphere that burns up any

2272
01:49:31,189 --> 01:49:27,719
object coming in so all together the

2273
01:49:35,209 --> 01:49:31,199
Moon is a museum it it kepts it kept

2274
01:49:37,970 --> 01:49:35,219
them all the objects that collided with

2275
01:49:39,770 --> 01:49:37,980
it and uh I think we should regard it as

2276
01:49:41,030 --> 01:49:39,780
an archaeological site where we could

2277
01:49:44,750 --> 01:49:41,040
find them

2278
01:49:47,689 --> 01:49:44,760
some piece of equipment that crashed on

2279
01:49:49,669 --> 01:49:47,699
the moon that did not come from us we

2280
01:49:51,649 --> 01:49:49,679
should just search for it and we haven't

2281
01:49:55,010 --> 01:49:51,659
surveyed the surface of the Moon so

2282
01:49:57,169 --> 01:49:55,020
that's an example where you can find uh

2283
01:50:00,109 --> 01:49:57,179
artifacts where you can find things that

2284
01:50:03,290 --> 01:50:00,119
we didn't produce and the same is true

2285
01:50:05,510 --> 01:50:03,300
for other objects like the planet Mars

2286
01:50:08,089 --> 01:50:05,520
and other places in the solar system

2287
01:50:10,729 --> 01:50:08,099
you're right it's we should check we

2288
01:50:13,310 --> 01:50:10,739
should treat those as potential

2289
01:50:15,050 --> 01:50:13,320
archaeological sites now I know you're

2290
01:50:16,970 --> 01:50:15,060
not going to step out of bounds but I

2291
01:50:20,629 --> 01:50:16,980
have to ask you

2292
01:50:24,169 --> 01:50:20,639
have has anybody uh given you

2293
01:50:27,589 --> 01:50:24,179
information uh you know like a possible

2294
01:50:30,169 --> 01:50:27,599
sight on on the moon something strange

2295
01:50:32,209 --> 01:50:30,179
here Avi when you get to the chance you

2296
01:50:36,770 --> 01:50:32,219
might want to look here have you been

2297
01:50:41,629 --> 01:50:38,510
you're grinning

2298
01:50:44,510 --> 01:50:41,639
no no I I was not of course what I mean

2299
01:50:48,709 --> 01:50:44,520
is you you I mean uh you have to stay in

2300
01:50:50,629 --> 01:50:48,719
bounds uh but no no the point is you see

2301
01:50:53,270 --> 01:50:50,639
um there was never very convincing

2302
01:50:57,050 --> 01:50:53,280
evidence about the claims that people

2303
01:50:59,390 --> 01:50:57,060
made and and we should be cautious about

2304
01:51:02,629 --> 01:50:59,400
it but the thing about the Pentagon

2305
01:51:04,910 --> 01:51:02,639
report to Congress and about to move is

2306
01:51:06,530 --> 01:51:04,920
that it passed a certain threshold where

2307
01:51:09,109 --> 01:51:06,540
it was intriguing enough for us to

2308
01:51:10,609 --> 01:51:09,119
collect more data so obviously once we

2309
01:51:12,910 --> 01:51:10,619
get a high resolution image you know

2310
01:51:16,550 --> 01:51:12,920
once we have a megapixel image of a UAP

2311
01:51:19,010 --> 01:51:16,560
or of a more like object that shows that

2312
01:51:21,950 --> 01:51:19,020
it's artificial I think everyone would

2313
01:51:24,290 --> 01:51:21,960
agree uh on the interpretation it would

2314
01:51:27,229 --> 01:51:24,300
not be at all

2315
01:51:30,050 --> 01:51:27,239
um debated because it would be clear if

2316
01:51:31,550 --> 01:51:30,060
it's good enough data so really the

2317
01:51:35,209 --> 01:51:31,560
telling the difference between

2318
01:51:37,129 --> 01:51:35,219
human-made objects natural objects and

2319
01:51:39,050 --> 01:51:37,139
artificial objects from it an

2320
01:51:40,810 --> 01:51:39,060
extraterrestrial to technological

2321
01:51:43,010 --> 01:51:40,820
civilization

2322
01:51:44,689 --> 01:51:43,020
the distinction between these three

2323
01:51:47,990 --> 01:51:44,699
possibilities can be made with good

2324
01:51:49,850 --> 01:51:48,000
enough data and that's the key so it's

2325
01:51:51,470 --> 01:51:49,860
not a philosophical question it's a

2326
01:51:54,470 --> 01:51:51,480
question of having a good enough image

2327
01:51:57,589 --> 01:51:54,480
that that's a very simple point and a

2328
01:52:01,070 --> 01:51:57,599
kid can understand it now and why is it

2329
01:52:03,729 --> 01:52:01,080
that uh especially when we're talking

2330
01:52:08,450 --> 01:52:03,739
about physics astrophysics and astronomy

2331
01:52:11,390 --> 01:52:08,460
that there is this philosophical uh line

2332
01:52:14,209 --> 01:52:11,400
that is there are we are we ever going

2333
01:52:16,609 --> 01:52:14,219
to get to the point where uh the two

2334
01:52:19,129 --> 01:52:16,619
conjoined forces I mean philosophy at

2335
01:52:20,649 --> 01:52:19,139
one point was physics a couple of

2336
01:52:23,030 --> 01:52:20,659
thousand years ago

2337
01:52:25,609 --> 01:52:23,040
do you see that happening

2338
01:52:27,950 --> 01:52:25,619
well I must say that um I was a bit

2339
01:52:30,530 --> 01:52:27,960
disappointed because a few weeks ago I

2340
01:52:33,050 --> 01:52:30,540
saw an article in nature astronomy

2341
01:52:35,689 --> 01:52:33,060
magazine by a philosopher who argued

2342
01:52:36,729 --> 01:52:35,699
that based on philosophical reasoning he

2343
01:52:39,470 --> 01:52:36,739
can

2344
01:52:41,390 --> 01:52:39,480
demonstrate that omuamua must have been

2345
01:52:44,570 --> 01:52:41,400
natural in origin and could not have

2346
01:52:45,709 --> 01:52:44,580
been a technological Relic and I thought

2347
01:52:47,510 --> 01:52:45,719
to myself

2348
01:52:49,850 --> 01:52:47,520
haven't we learned anything over the

2349
01:52:52,010 --> 01:52:49,860
past four centuries since the days of

2350
01:52:54,290 --> 01:52:52,020
Galileo that you should not rely on

2351
01:52:56,570 --> 01:52:54,300
philosophical arguments but look for the

2352
01:53:00,169 --> 01:52:56,580
answers through telescopes

2353
01:53:02,510 --> 01:53:00,179
yeah and and and and not to say that you

2354
01:53:05,209 --> 01:53:02,520
know because I I I appreciate and love

2355
01:53:08,089 --> 01:53:05,219
philosophy and I don't know why I'm able

2356
01:53:10,310 --> 01:53:08,099
to remain objective and appreciate both

2357
01:53:12,530 --> 01:53:10,320
sides but I mean it's just like can't we

2358
01:53:14,570 --> 01:53:12,540
all just get along all right don't we I

2359
01:53:17,870 --> 01:53:14,580
actually have a common goal here

2360
01:53:20,089 --> 01:53:17,880
yeah yeah but some questions you know

2361
01:53:22,030 --> 01:53:20,099
our philosophical in nature for example

2362
01:53:26,209 --> 01:53:22,040
you can ask

2363
01:53:28,970 --> 01:53:26,219
why do the laws of physics have the way

2364
01:53:32,209 --> 01:53:28,980
you know have the current under you know

2365
01:53:34,550 --> 01:53:32,219
principles and or why did the universe

2366
01:53:36,169 --> 01:53:34,560
start in a certain way this goes beyond

2367
01:53:38,510 --> 01:53:36,179
physics it's sort of a metaphysical

2368
01:53:41,149 --> 01:53:38,520
question and there are questions where

2369
01:53:43,790 --> 01:53:41,159
philosophy is really the only tool that

2370
01:53:46,490 --> 01:53:43,800
you can use but if you ask whether an

2371
01:53:49,370 --> 01:53:46,500
object is technological Relic or it's

2372
01:53:52,609 --> 01:53:49,380
natural it's piece of rock I would say

2373
01:53:54,290 --> 01:53:52,619
for that to decide that there is no

2374
01:53:56,390 --> 01:53:54,300
point in discussing it philosophically

2375
01:53:58,010 --> 01:53:56,400
let's just get good data on it and then

2376
01:54:00,830 --> 01:53:58,020
we'll figure it out if we had our hands

2377
01:54:03,770 --> 01:54:00,840
on it we would know whether it's a rock

2378
01:54:06,890 --> 01:54:03,780
or not is not a philosophical issue yeah

2379
01:54:08,450 --> 01:54:06,900
exactly you could have after you figure

2380
01:54:10,870 --> 01:54:08,460
out what it is if it looks like it's

2381
01:54:12,950 --> 01:54:10,880
artificial then you can start to ask

2382
01:54:15,770 --> 01:54:12,960
philosophical questions about its

2383
01:54:18,950 --> 01:54:15,780
significance but what we are addressing

2384
01:54:21,050 --> 01:54:18,960
right now what stands before us is to

2385
01:54:24,050 --> 01:54:21,060
look for clues that we might not be the

2386
01:54:25,850 --> 01:54:24,060
smartest kid on the block that's all you

2387
01:54:28,310 --> 01:54:25,860
are the smartest kid on the Block our

2388
01:54:29,870 --> 01:54:28,320
guest tonight is Professor avilobe of

2389
01:54:32,570 --> 01:54:29,880
Harvard I'm your host Jimmy church this

2390
01:54:35,870 --> 01:54:32,580
is Fade to Black we are discussing his

2391
01:54:39,109 --> 01:54:35,880
Galileo Project funding for it and the

2392
01:54:41,330 --> 01:54:39,119
links for it are up in our social media

2393
01:54:43,129 --> 01:54:41,340
Pages all of them we're going to take a

2394
01:54:44,250 --> 01:54:43,139
short break more with Avi when we come

2395
01:54:50,149 --> 01:54:44,260
back stay with us

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welcome back this is Fade to Black I'm

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here with Jimmy church tonight Professor

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Avi Loeb we are discussing the Galileo

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01:59:44,450 --> 01:59:41,940
project and once again we've got links

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up for funding for you to help support

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the project the links are up in social

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media let's get straight back to it I

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want to uh take this last uh segment Avi

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02:00:00,890 --> 01:59:57,360
with you to discuss some points of the

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UAP task force report highly anticipated

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and I think that there were

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large segments of not only the UFO

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02:00:14,990 --> 02:00:10,280
Community but uh the public in general

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02:00:15,950 --> 02:00:15,000
that were anticipating disclosure some

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02:00:19,070 --> 02:00:15,960
type of

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02:00:22,010 --> 02:00:19,080
ET component to this not necessarily you

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02:00:24,770 --> 02:00:22,020
know Little Green Men but acknowledgment

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of something that was not of this Earth

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report came out on June 25th uh you read

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the public portion of it uh what went

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02:00:35,689 --> 02:00:33,360
through your mind

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02:00:39,830 --> 02:00:35,699
um the the evidence that was released

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02:00:43,609 --> 02:00:39,840
was not convincing but uh perhaps there

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02:00:46,370 --> 02:00:43,619
is a an iceberg under the water that we

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02:00:50,169 --> 02:00:46,380
don't see that we see just the tip-off

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02:00:52,970 --> 02:00:50,179
and and the reason I say that is because

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people that I respect serious people

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02:00:57,890 --> 02:00:55,619
argue that when they saw the classified

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02:00:59,390 --> 02:00:57,900
component of the report they were

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02:01:01,970 --> 02:00:59,400
convinced that these are real objects

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02:01:04,850 --> 02:01:01,980
you need to serious matter so to me that

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02:01:06,589 --> 02:01:04,860
is sufficient to trigger interest as a

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02:01:10,910 --> 02:01:06,599
scientist and trying to collect similar

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02:01:14,089 --> 02:01:10,920
data high quality data and you know some

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02:01:16,850 --> 02:01:14,099
of the data that was released uh was

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02:01:18,770 --> 02:01:16,860
based on a jittery camera in the cockpit

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02:01:22,729 --> 02:01:18,780
of a fighter jet and you know it's not

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02:01:24,770 --> 02:01:22,739
the best way to collect data on a UAP

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02:01:27,290 --> 02:01:24,780
and that's why we want to have full

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02:01:30,470 --> 02:01:27,300
control over the instruments we have and

2521
02:01:32,330 --> 02:01:30,480
the other thing is the claim was in the

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02:01:34,850 --> 02:01:32,340
report that that was quite interesting

2523
02:01:36,770 --> 02:01:34,860
that some of the objects must be real

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02:01:39,790 --> 02:01:36,780
because they were detected by multiple

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02:01:44,050 --> 02:01:39,800
instruments and that means infrared

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02:01:47,089 --> 02:01:44,060
sensors and radar systems and Optical

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02:01:49,570 --> 02:01:47,099
cameras and so forth and and were seen

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02:01:52,490 --> 02:01:49,580
by multiple people and to me that was

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02:01:54,470 --> 02:01:52,500
very important because you can always

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02:01:56,290 --> 02:01:54,480
argue that it might be a malfunction of

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02:01:59,689 --> 02:01:56,300
an instrument some smudge on the camera

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02:02:03,550 --> 02:01:59,699
apparently it's not the case because

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02:02:06,410 --> 02:02:03,560
or some of the objects were seen

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02:02:09,229 --> 02:02:06,420
and once again it says it's a serious

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02:02:11,689 --> 02:02:09,239
matter I don't you know I don't know for

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02:02:13,729 --> 02:02:11,699
sure whether all the objects have

2537
02:02:16,430 --> 02:02:13,739
mundane explanations maybe most of them

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02:02:18,770 --> 02:02:16,440
do maybe it's a mixed bag uh the point

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02:02:20,510 --> 02:02:18,780
is that the scientists It's Our

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02:02:22,790 --> 02:02:20,520
obligation to help the government in

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02:02:24,350 --> 02:02:22,800
figuring out the nature of things that

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02:02:27,530 --> 02:02:24,360
the government doesn't fully understand

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02:02:31,189 --> 02:02:27,540
and I see it as an obligation to to do

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02:02:32,689 --> 02:02:31,199
this uh you know the uh the government

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02:02:34,430 --> 02:02:32,699
is really the most conservative

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02:02:36,290 --> 02:02:34,440
organization we have and scientists

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02:02:38,030 --> 02:02:36,300
should be open-minded but it seems to be

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02:02:40,669 --> 02:02:38,040
the other way around the government is

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02:02:43,550 --> 02:02:40,679
talking about it and move on to ignore

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02:02:46,250 --> 02:02:43,560
it and I just find it unacceptable

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02:02:50,810 --> 02:02:46,260
were you uh

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02:02:53,930 --> 02:02:50,820
um were you hopeful for an E.T component

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02:02:58,010 --> 02:02:56,330
um well not based on the data that was

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02:03:01,550 --> 02:02:58,020
released it was not conclusive enough

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02:03:05,030 --> 02:03:01,560
but um no I mean before the report was

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02:03:07,609 --> 02:03:05,040
released were you hopeful for a little

2557
02:03:09,770 --> 02:03:07,619
E.T component well I would have been

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02:03:13,310 --> 02:03:09,780
very intrigued I would have been excited

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02:03:15,410 --> 02:03:13,320
if there was a definite proof uh that

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02:03:17,689 --> 02:03:15,420
would you know would or a definite

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02:03:19,910 --> 02:03:17,699
statement that because I'm always

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02:03:22,010 --> 02:03:19,920
curious about the world and frankly I

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02:03:24,530 --> 02:03:22,020
think that I think it's arrogant of us

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02:03:26,870 --> 02:03:24,540
to think that we are you know the

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02:03:29,510 --> 02:03:26,880
Pinnacle of creation so to speak that

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02:03:31,669 --> 02:03:29,520
there is nothing smarter than us because

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02:03:34,370 --> 02:03:31,679
my daughters made this mistake when they

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02:03:36,109 --> 02:03:34,380
they were born and were at home and they

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02:03:37,310 --> 02:03:36,119
only met their family members they

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02:03:39,050 --> 02:03:37,320
thought that they are the smartest in

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02:03:41,149 --> 02:03:39,060
the world then I took them to the

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02:03:43,370 --> 02:03:41,159
kindergarten they met other kids that

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02:03:45,050 --> 02:03:43,380
have better skills you know and that was

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02:03:47,569 --> 02:03:45,060
a psychological shock for them on the

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02:03:50,030 --> 02:03:47,579
first day at the kindergarten so I

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02:03:52,189 --> 02:03:50,040
learned from that and I uh I think the

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02:03:54,770 --> 02:03:52,199
best approach to life is to stay modest

2578
02:03:56,689 --> 02:03:54,780
assume that you are nothing special that

2579
02:03:58,490 --> 02:03:56,699
should be your starting point rather

2580
02:04:00,050 --> 02:03:58,500
than argue that you need extraordinary

2581
02:04:03,250 --> 02:04:00,060
evidence before you would believe that

2582
02:04:08,169 --> 02:04:03,260
there is someone as smart as you are

2583
02:04:12,410 --> 02:04:08,179
also wasn't a conclusive

2584
02:04:15,589 --> 02:04:12,420
uh uh conclusions that said it wasn't

2585
02:04:18,709 --> 02:04:15,599
E.T right that was suspiciously missing

2586
02:04:20,990 --> 02:04:18,719
from the report as well that's right and

2587
02:04:24,470 --> 02:04:21,000
that implies that more data or better

2588
02:04:26,290 --> 02:04:24,480
data is is required so but you know at

2589
02:04:28,790 --> 02:04:26,300
the same time the NASA administrator

2590
02:04:31,069 --> 02:04:28,800
Bill Nelson argued that scientists

2591
02:04:33,350 --> 02:04:31,079
should look into that and I think that's

2592
02:04:34,850 --> 02:04:33,360
a natural conclusion that one draws from

2593
02:04:37,129 --> 02:04:34,860
that that you know it's not really

2594
02:04:39,229 --> 02:04:37,139
something you should ask politicians or

2595
02:04:40,910 --> 02:04:39,239
military personnel to do because they

2596
02:04:43,490 --> 02:04:40,920
were not trained as scientists and

2597
02:04:46,790 --> 02:04:43,500
astronomers were trained to figure out

2598
02:04:48,470 --> 02:04:46,800
what things are on the sky so it should

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02:04:50,870 --> 02:04:48,480
be the job of astronomers just like you

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02:04:53,149 --> 02:04:50,880
wouldn't ask you know a plumber to bake

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02:04:56,270 --> 02:04:53,159
you a cake you know that's not his or

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02:04:58,189 --> 02:04:56,280
her job you know that what you want is

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02:04:59,390 --> 02:04:58,199
the professionals to deal with such data

2604
02:05:02,689 --> 02:04:59,400
and that's what we are trying to do in

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02:05:04,550 --> 02:05:02,699
the Galileo project now there was a two

2606
02:05:05,689 --> 02:05:04,560
other points I want uh to get your

2607
02:05:08,629 --> 02:05:05,699
comments on

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02:05:10,430 --> 02:05:08,639
in the report it seemed like they were

2609
02:05:11,390 --> 02:05:10,440
pretty confident I'm talking about the

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02:05:15,589 --> 02:05:11,400
DIA

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02:05:19,129 --> 02:05:15,599
in in stating that well it's not ours

2612
02:05:22,669 --> 02:05:19,139
and it's not foreign technology like

2613
02:05:26,149 --> 02:05:22,679
Russia and China now that's that was as

2614
02:05:27,350 --> 02:05:26,159
it's definitive as anything that was

2615
02:05:30,830 --> 02:05:27,360
stated

2616
02:05:33,709 --> 02:05:30,840
in the report well what's left

2617
02:05:36,470 --> 02:05:33,719
right so they had enough data you're a

2618
02:05:38,390 --> 02:05:36,480
data guy right they had enough data to

2619
02:05:40,609 --> 02:05:38,400
make those extraordinary statements

2620
02:05:43,189 --> 02:05:40,619
right but they're not saying this so

2621
02:05:45,649 --> 02:05:43,199
they won't go in other directions and

2622
02:05:48,530 --> 02:05:45,659
that's where we astronomers have to

2623
02:05:50,870 --> 02:05:48,540
examine similar data science is about to

2624
02:05:52,609 --> 02:05:50,880
reproducibility of results so if what

2625
02:05:54,290 --> 02:05:52,619
they are saying is correct and there are

2626
02:05:56,870 --> 02:05:54,300
objects out there that may not be human

2627
02:06:00,410 --> 02:05:56,880
made anyone should be able to see them

2628
02:06:02,870 --> 02:06:00,420
and we will just use even better Scopes

2629
02:06:04,430 --> 02:06:02,880
than they were using and see what we

2630
02:06:07,430 --> 02:06:04,440
find you know it's like a fishing

2631
02:06:09,890 --> 02:06:07,440
Expedition you throw the hooks and in

2632
02:06:13,069 --> 02:06:09,900
our case the hooks are these uh

2633
02:06:15,109 --> 02:06:13,079
telescope systems and without assuming

2634
02:06:17,169 --> 02:06:15,119
what kind of fish you will find whatever

2635
02:06:18,830 --> 02:06:17,179
we find we will report

2636
02:06:21,770 --> 02:06:18,840
now

2637
02:06:23,870 --> 02:06:21,780
um what did you and I want to hear you

2638
02:06:27,050 --> 02:06:23,880
laugh okay I just want you to laugh for

2639
02:06:28,910 --> 02:06:27,060
the audience what did you think as you

2640
02:06:31,129 --> 02:06:28,920
read through the report and they had

2641
02:06:33,709 --> 02:06:31,139
category one category two category three

2642
02:06:37,810 --> 02:06:33,719
and then they had the I'm doing air

2643
02:06:40,970 --> 02:06:37,820
quotes the other Ben right right

2644
02:06:42,410 --> 02:06:40,980
so the other is exactly what we are

2645
02:06:44,930 --> 02:06:42,420
interested in

2646
02:06:46,189 --> 02:06:44,940
um and for us it would be the focus of

2647
02:06:50,689 --> 02:06:46,199
our attention

2648
02:06:52,790 --> 02:06:50,699
so um we will split that bin into a

2649
02:06:54,729 --> 02:06:52,800
natural phenomena in the atmosphere you

2650
02:06:57,709 --> 02:06:54,739
know something unusual

2651
02:07:00,109 --> 02:06:57,719
or a piece of equipment from another

2652
02:07:02,689 --> 02:07:00,119
technological civilization out there you

2653
02:07:05,810 --> 02:07:02,699
know we will try and figure it out now I

2654
02:07:08,750 --> 02:07:05,820
I like the way that uh you referenced

2655
02:07:12,950 --> 02:07:08,760
you know some type of self-replicating

2656
02:07:14,569 --> 02:07:12,960
3D printing existence and if we if we

2657
02:07:16,669 --> 02:07:14,579
last long enough we'll be doing the same

2658
02:07:19,189 --> 02:07:16,679
thing at one point as two as well that's

2659
02:07:22,010 --> 02:07:19,199
what we're going to do right

2660
02:07:26,149 --> 02:07:22,020
um when we're talking about uaps UFOs

2661
02:07:27,830 --> 02:07:26,159
things not of this Earth You know let's

2662
02:07:29,990 --> 02:07:27,840
be very clear here

2663
02:07:31,270 --> 02:07:30,000
do you think that there is the

2664
02:07:36,169 --> 02:07:31,280
possibility

2665
02:07:39,770 --> 02:07:36,179
that some of these craft may have a

2666
02:07:44,629 --> 02:07:39,780
biological being on board some type of

2667
02:07:47,870 --> 02:07:44,639
not driven by uh intelligence but by an

2668
02:07:50,810 --> 02:07:47,880
intelligent being is that a possibility

2669
02:07:53,270 --> 02:07:50,820
at these distances no I don't think so

2670
02:07:56,149 --> 02:07:53,280
because you know darwinian Evolution did

2671
02:07:58,850 --> 02:07:56,159
not select us or any biological creature

2672
02:08:01,669 --> 02:07:58,860
to survive in space in the long travel

2673
02:08:03,830 --> 02:08:01,679
between Stars even light takes four

2674
02:08:06,229 --> 02:08:03,840
years to get to us from the nearest star

2675
02:08:08,030 --> 02:08:06,239
and it would take tens of thousands of

2676
02:08:10,609 --> 02:08:08,040
years to get from the edge of the Milky

2677
02:08:12,709 --> 02:08:10,619
Way galaxy so and that's light nothing

2678
02:08:14,930 --> 02:08:12,719
can travel faster than light and if you

2679
02:08:16,490 --> 02:08:14,940
were to use Rockets to travel a hundred

2680
02:08:19,550 --> 02:08:16,500
light years would take a million years

2681
02:08:21,890 --> 02:08:19,560
and these are very long times we

2682
02:08:23,629 --> 02:08:21,900
wouldn't survive for sure and then you

2683
02:08:25,550 --> 02:08:23,639
know if we stay in space for more than a

2684
02:08:28,430 --> 02:08:25,560
year cosmic rays damage a significant

2685
02:08:30,910 --> 02:08:28,440
fraction of the cells in our brain so we

2686
02:08:33,770 --> 02:08:30,920
are not designed to travel in space but

2687
02:08:36,229 --> 02:08:33,780
electronic equipment can survive and

2688
02:08:39,470 --> 02:08:36,239
that's why I say makes more sense to

2689
02:08:41,810 --> 02:08:39,480
send uh AI systems artificial

2690
02:08:44,209 --> 02:08:41,820
intelligence because they would survive

2691
02:08:46,729 --> 02:08:44,219
the long journey and they could outsmart

2692
02:08:48,649 --> 02:08:46,739
us you know we let them drive cars now

2693
02:08:50,689 --> 02:08:48,659
and in the future you know we would

2694
02:08:52,490 --> 02:08:50,699
trust them more than humans when they go

2695
02:08:54,950 --> 02:08:52,500
modern astronauts when they go into

2696
02:08:56,930 --> 02:08:54,960
space they can survive the journey they

2697
02:08:59,510 --> 02:08:56,940
don't lose their patience over millions

2698
02:09:00,609 --> 02:08:59,520
of years and they can do the job so I

2699
02:09:04,609 --> 02:09:00,619
don't expect

2700
02:09:06,410 --> 02:09:04,619
creatures to be on you know vehicles

2701
02:09:08,350 --> 02:09:06,420
that travel for millions of years I

2702
02:09:11,629 --> 02:09:08,360
don't expect that I do expect

2703
02:09:14,330 --> 02:09:11,639
technological equipment AI systems and

2704
02:09:16,550 --> 02:09:14,340
at the end of the day it would be our AI

2705
02:09:19,609 --> 02:09:16,560
systems that we use to interpret their

2706
02:09:21,770 --> 02:09:19,619
AI systems just like we rely on our kids

2707
02:09:25,010 --> 02:09:21,780
to tell us content that we find in the

2708
02:09:27,649 --> 02:09:25,020
internet that we cannot really because

2709
02:09:30,530 --> 02:09:27,659
are more

2710
02:09:32,569 --> 02:09:30,540
kids and so in in the same fashion we

2711
02:09:35,870 --> 02:09:32,579
will use our computer to

2712
02:09:37,569 --> 02:09:35,880
to interpret their computers now

2713
02:09:39,709 --> 02:09:37,579
I

2714
02:09:41,750 --> 02:09:39,719
want you to

2715
02:09:46,490 --> 02:09:41,760
um just go with me on this

2716
02:09:49,609 --> 02:09:46,500
when we go back to 1905 1915 1917 we go

2717
02:09:52,310 --> 02:09:49,619
back to that era where we knew about

2718
02:09:55,490 --> 02:09:52,320
three dimensions and we know about X Y

2719
02:09:57,950 --> 02:09:55,500
and Z and then we introduce uh the

2720
02:09:59,930 --> 02:09:57,960
element of time okay so now we've got a

2721
02:10:02,450 --> 02:09:59,940
fourth thing to talk about Einstein's

2722
02:10:05,629 --> 02:10:02,460
got space time and it's possible to bend

2723
02:10:08,629 --> 02:10:05,639
this uh with uh with a large object in

2724
02:10:10,729 --> 02:10:08,639
space and this is something that needs

2725
02:10:13,089 --> 02:10:10,739
to be discussed because this is reality

2726
02:10:17,030 --> 02:10:13,099
well okay

2727
02:10:19,450 --> 02:10:17,040
if something is a billion years or half

2728
02:10:22,790 --> 02:10:19,460
a billion years in front of us

2729
02:10:25,910 --> 02:10:22,800
would you anticipate the ability to take

2730
02:10:28,870 --> 02:10:25,920
advantage of space-time and maybe even

2731
02:10:32,990 --> 02:10:28,880
eliminate those gaps in space-time where

2732
02:10:35,510 --> 02:10:33,000
traveling uh uh 10 000 light years is

2733
02:10:38,330 --> 02:10:35,520
not traveling 10 000 light years you're

2734
02:10:41,030 --> 02:10:38,340
traveling that distance

2735
02:10:43,609 --> 02:10:41,040
in a in a fraction of a second where

2736
02:10:46,430 --> 02:10:43,619
you're just if it's possible to do it

2737
02:10:49,010 --> 02:10:46,440
then obviously that would be a great uh

2738
02:10:53,330 --> 02:10:49,020
thing to use but as far as we know the

2739
02:10:55,790 --> 02:10:53,340
we cannot build wormholes or bridges in

2740
02:11:00,109 --> 02:10:55,800
space and time the way that some people

2741
02:11:02,629 --> 02:11:00,119
want us or imagine us to do and so it's

2742
02:11:05,030 --> 02:11:02,639
still very far away as far as our

2743
02:11:07,750 --> 02:11:05,040
understanding goes and for example in

2744
02:11:11,990 --> 02:11:07,760
the Galileo project we will not imagine

2745
02:11:14,629 --> 02:11:12,000
uh laws of physics or deviations from

2746
02:11:17,149 --> 02:11:14,639
what we know about physics until we are

2747
02:11:19,310 --> 02:11:17,159
really forced into that and so at first

2748
02:11:22,669 --> 02:11:19,320
we will try to interpret whatever we see

2749
02:11:25,790 --> 02:11:22,679
using our understanding of physics right

2750
02:11:27,589 --> 02:11:25,800
now uh in principle if we see something

2751
02:11:29,930 --> 02:11:27,599
really that cannot be explained

2752
02:11:33,229 --> 02:11:29,940
otherwise you know it would be even a

2753
02:11:34,850 --> 02:11:33,239
more exciting Discovery because not only

2754
02:11:38,689 --> 02:11:34,860
we will find evidence for other

2755
02:11:40,310 --> 02:11:38,699
Technologies but also we will rely is

2756
02:11:42,229 --> 02:11:40,320
something about nature that applies

2757
02:11:44,270 --> 02:11:42,239
everywhere you know because the laws of

2758
02:11:45,830 --> 02:11:44,280
physics are everywhere in the universe

2759
02:11:48,830 --> 02:11:45,840
you know that they're supposed to be the

2760
02:11:52,430 --> 02:11:48,840
same so if we make such a discovery it

2761
02:11:55,609 --> 02:11:52,440
would be even bigger well okay and I and

2762
02:11:58,250 --> 02:11:55,619
I understand staying inside of the laws

2763
02:12:01,189 --> 02:11:58,260
of physics uh getting outside of the

2764
02:12:04,430 --> 02:12:01,199
laws of physics that that you you're

2765
02:12:07,729 --> 02:12:04,440
you're you're in trouble there but

2766
02:12:09,830 --> 02:12:07,739
if if I want to go back to your analogy

2767
02:12:12,830 --> 02:12:09,840
uh you know to a cell phone being

2768
02:12:14,810 --> 02:12:12,840
discovered by a caveman well in in the

2769
02:12:19,910 --> 02:12:14,820
same respect

2770
02:12:23,629 --> 02:12:19,920
um us driving to the store to get a

2771
02:12:26,089 --> 02:12:23,639
gallon of milk 200 300 years ago would

2772
02:12:27,649 --> 02:12:26,099
seem like magic but it's easy for us we

2773
02:12:29,870 --> 02:12:27,659
get the keys to the car we drive down

2774
02:12:32,890 --> 02:12:29,880
the block we come back whatever you know

2775
02:12:37,010 --> 02:12:32,900
or flying to a to Hawaii for a vacation

2776
02:12:38,750 --> 02:12:37,020
that is Magic 300 years ago but it's

2777
02:12:42,109 --> 02:12:38,760
easy for us to do today and we don't

2778
02:12:45,290 --> 02:12:42,119
think twice about it that technology for

2779
02:12:48,410 --> 02:12:45,300
et wouldn't be difficult

2780
02:12:51,589 --> 02:12:48,420
it's easy right there's some law in

2781
02:12:54,050 --> 02:12:51,599
nature that they clearly understand that

2782
02:12:56,270 --> 02:12:54,060
we aren't anywhere near right now yeah

2783
02:12:59,330 --> 02:12:56,280
it's possible and and that would be a

2784
02:13:01,370 --> 02:12:59,340
major Discovery I agree but at first we

2785
02:13:03,050 --> 02:13:01,380
will try to use what we understand and

2786
02:13:05,870 --> 02:13:03,060
see if we can interpret what's happening

2787
02:13:07,250 --> 02:13:05,880
and if we are forced with our back to

2788
02:13:09,770 --> 02:13:07,260
the water kind of we can't really

2789
02:13:12,109 --> 02:13:09,780
explain what we see then we'll collect

2790
02:13:14,510 --> 02:13:12,119
even more data and we learn something

2791
02:13:17,030 --> 02:13:14,520
even more fundamental I that you know

2792
02:13:20,169 --> 02:13:17,040
that's always the case and that's what

2793
02:13:22,790 --> 02:13:20,179
would make such a discovery exciting and

2794
02:13:25,430 --> 02:13:22,800
science should be done without prejudice

2795
02:13:28,490 --> 02:13:25,440
so if something like that shows up I

2796
02:13:31,430 --> 02:13:28,500
would be thrilled but I'm not expecting

2797
02:13:33,350 --> 02:13:31,440
that at first because you know until we

2798
02:13:37,370 --> 02:13:33,360
see it I wouldn't I wouldn't imagine it

2799
02:13:40,129 --> 02:13:37,380
yeah I I uh I want to uh I want to share

2800
02:13:43,370 --> 02:13:40,139
with you a quote you've seen or you know

2801
02:13:44,990 --> 02:13:43,380
of the show uh Ancient Aliens and you

2802
02:13:48,169 --> 02:13:45,000
know Giorgio sukulos the guy with the

2803
02:13:49,669 --> 02:13:48,179
hair right you know Georgia okay so he's

2804
02:13:53,450 --> 02:13:49,679
been on the show many times his great

2805
02:13:56,569 --> 02:13:53,460
friend and and neighbor but uh he said

2806
02:13:59,589 --> 02:13:56,579
one thing to me Avi uh a few years ago

2807
02:14:02,629 --> 02:13:59,599
on the show and I've repeated this quote

2808
02:14:05,089 --> 02:14:02,639
so often and it's this he goes look man

2809
02:14:06,530 --> 02:14:05,099
I don't know what's going on but I can

2810
02:14:10,069 --> 02:14:06,540
tell you this

2811
02:14:12,470 --> 02:14:10,079
if uh E.T that Flying Saucer lands on

2812
02:14:14,510 --> 02:14:12,480
the White House lawn the stairs come

2813
02:14:18,709 --> 02:14:14,520
down E.T comes down and we start talking

2814
02:14:23,030 --> 02:14:18,719
to him we will find out that we were all

2815
02:14:25,550 --> 02:14:23,040
wrong right that's it no matter what

2816
02:14:28,910 --> 02:14:25,560
theories no matter what what no

2817
02:14:30,890 --> 02:14:28,920
everything that we were all wrong

2818
02:14:32,870 --> 02:14:30,900
and I think that's the best way to look

2819
02:14:34,910 --> 02:14:32,880
at it there's no way that we can have

2820
02:14:37,810 --> 02:14:34,920
the right answers right now we have to

2821
02:14:40,189 --> 02:14:37,820
continue to search definitely I mean

2822
02:14:41,990 --> 02:14:40,199
obviously searching and looking for

2823
02:14:45,890 --> 02:14:42,000
evidence would be the way to go because

2824
02:14:48,649 --> 02:14:45,900
that's how science should be guided uh

2825
02:14:50,450 --> 02:14:48,659
and then you know I'll be glad to appear

2826
02:14:54,290 --> 02:14:50,460
on your show if we see something unusual

2827
02:14:56,450 --> 02:14:54,300
and we talk about it if if science

2828
02:14:58,089 --> 02:14:56,460
fiction becomes science that I wouldn't

2829
02:15:02,089 --> 02:14:58,099
be more delighted

2830
02:15:03,950 --> 02:15:02,099
one last uh uh thing uh before uh we say

2831
02:15:05,930 --> 02:15:03,960
uh good night now again I want to thank

2832
02:15:07,970 --> 02:15:05,940
you in advance you're a very very busy

2833
02:15:10,970 --> 02:15:07,980
guy but uh we love having you on the

2834
02:15:13,910 --> 02:15:10,980
show thank you for taking the time is if

2835
02:15:16,189 --> 02:15:13,920
if if E.T and it goes both directions we

2836
02:15:20,089 --> 02:15:16,199
can talk about seti too as well but if

2837
02:15:22,089 --> 02:15:20,099
E.T picked up uh picks up on our uh

2838
02:15:25,270 --> 02:15:22,099
radio Transmissions

2839
02:15:28,750 --> 02:15:25,280
would it would it or wouldn't it

2840
02:15:31,790 --> 02:15:28,760
correlate with their own sense of time

2841
02:15:34,910 --> 02:15:31,800
in other words could it be descrambled

2842
02:15:37,069 --> 02:15:34,920
would they even understand and if we

2843
02:15:39,410 --> 02:15:37,079
were intercepting their radio signals it

2844
02:15:44,030 --> 02:15:39,420
may just sound like noise to us and not

2845
02:15:45,470 --> 02:15:44,040
anything logical right and or or that's

2846
02:15:48,649 --> 02:15:45,480
an excellent question in in

2847
02:15:50,569 --> 02:15:48,659
communication is a great challenge first

2848
02:15:52,189 --> 02:15:50,579
you have to figure out the meaning of

2849
02:15:55,370 --> 02:15:52,199
what of the signal that you're getting

2850
02:15:57,649 --> 02:15:55,380
and uh figuring out their intent is

2851
02:16:00,410 --> 02:15:57,659
really complicated and and that's a

2852
02:16:04,250 --> 02:16:00,420
subject for a full two-hour discussion

2853
02:16:06,109 --> 02:16:04,260
you know the it boils to Linguistics you

2854
02:16:07,910 --> 02:16:06,119
know and and the breaking of codes

2855
02:16:10,729 --> 02:16:07,920
because when you think about breaking

2856
02:16:13,490 --> 02:16:10,739
the Enigma for example that the Alan

2857
02:16:15,530 --> 02:16:13,500
Turing was engaged in it's sort of like

2858
02:16:17,030 --> 02:16:15,540
seeing something enigmatic something

2859
02:16:18,470 --> 02:16:17,040
that you don't fully understand and

2860
02:16:21,169 --> 02:16:18,480
trying to figure it out the meaning

2861
02:16:25,550 --> 02:16:21,179
behind it and that that happened during

2862
02:16:27,950 --> 02:16:25,560
the world War and the same can be done

2863
02:16:31,550 --> 02:16:27,960
you know in the context of a signal we

2864
02:16:33,709 --> 02:16:31,560
get from space and uh and and then there

2865
02:16:36,530 --> 02:16:33,719
is the question of what kind of uh

2866
02:16:38,509 --> 02:16:36,540
language not only uh symbols they are

2867
02:16:41,570 --> 02:16:38,519
using what kind of medium they are using

2868
02:16:43,910 --> 02:16:41,580
to relay that those sentences and how to

2869
02:16:46,250 --> 02:16:43,920
figure them out and that's a very

2870
02:16:50,089 --> 02:16:46,260
interesting and challenging question and

2871
02:16:53,450 --> 02:16:50,099
I I I wish us to be in in a place where

2872
02:16:55,849 --> 02:16:53,460
this would become a real challenge for

2873
02:16:58,070 --> 02:16:55,859
us once we figure out that we are not

2874
02:16:59,750 --> 02:16:58,080
alone yeah I've often thought about you

2875
02:17:03,110 --> 02:16:59,760
know we're we're sending out you know

2876
02:17:06,830 --> 02:17:03,120
Carl Sagan and these equations and and

2877
02:17:09,049 --> 02:17:06,840
suggestions of numbers and and and that

2878
02:17:11,990 --> 02:17:09,059
would be in our radio and and ET would

2879
02:17:15,370 --> 02:17:12,000
just show up here and go dude we gave up

2880
02:17:18,290 --> 02:17:15,380
on numbers a billion years ago

2881
02:17:19,250 --> 02:17:18,300
it's not what we do now we're Way Beyond

2882
02:17:22,549 --> 02:17:19,260
math

2883
02:17:24,169 --> 02:17:22,559
yeah it's quite possible but let's keep

2884
02:17:26,690 --> 02:17:24,179
our eyes open and for now look for

2885
02:17:29,509 --> 02:17:26,700
unusual things and that that will be

2886
02:17:31,669 --> 02:17:29,519
sort of the thread that would lead us in

2887
02:17:34,610 --> 02:17:31,679
the right direction Professor Loeb again

2888
02:17:37,969 --> 02:17:34,620
thank you so much I'm so excited about

2889
02:17:40,730 --> 02:17:37,979
the Galileo project uh its time has come

2890
02:17:44,570 --> 02:17:40,740
it it it's it should have been done a

2891
02:17:46,309 --> 02:17:44,580
while ago but now it is here it's a big

2892
02:17:48,290 --> 02:17:46,319
challenge you've got a lot in front of

2893
02:17:50,629 --> 02:17:48,300
you but thank you for being a part of

2894
02:17:52,070 --> 02:17:50,639
our team and and Mother Earth thank you

2895
02:17:54,169 --> 02:17:52,080
so much my friend

2896
02:17:55,389 --> 02:17:54,179
thanks for hosting me Jimmy I'll talk to

2897
02:17:59,509 --> 02:17:55,399
you soon

2898
02:18:02,750 --> 02:17:59,519
Professor Avi Loeb I am going to take a

2899
02:18:04,429 --> 02:18:02,760
quick break all of the links are up not

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02:18:08,650 --> 02:18:04,439
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02:18:17,629 --> 02:18:10,800
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02:18:23,420 --> 02:18:22,139
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2966
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[Music]

2968
02:22:29,210 --> 02:22:25,610
all right Welcome Back Fade to Black I

2969
02:22:34,550 --> 02:22:31,670
that conversation with Avi Loeb was

2970
02:22:38,090 --> 02:22:34,560
recorded well now it was a four hours

2971
02:22:39,830 --> 02:22:38,100
ago it was a two hour interview and uh

2972
02:22:42,050 --> 02:22:39,840
so two hour show minus two hours from

2973
02:22:45,530 --> 02:22:42,060
this so that was recorded literally four

2974
02:22:48,349 --> 02:22:45,540
hours ago all the way up uh to Showtime

2975
02:22:51,170 --> 02:22:48,359
had to do it for a couple of reasons one

2976
02:22:54,469 --> 02:22:51,180
obby's got to teach school he's got

2977
02:22:58,490 --> 02:22:54,479
stuff to do and uh he's on the East

2978
02:23:00,830 --> 02:22:58,500
Coast so keeping him up uh till you know

2979
02:23:03,230 --> 02:23:00,840
uh 1 30 in the morning that's that it's

2980
02:23:06,889 --> 02:23:03,240
not that kind of party with Avi and uh

2981
02:23:10,790 --> 02:23:06,899
so anyway that's why and all of the uh

2982
02:23:13,730 --> 02:23:10,800
I've only recorded over the years

2983
02:23:17,929 --> 02:23:13,740
um maybe a half a dozen shows

2984
02:23:20,870 --> 02:23:17,939
that's it out of uh out of uh 1500 shows

2985
02:23:23,990 --> 02:23:20,880
just just maybe half a dozen and three

2986
02:23:25,849 --> 02:23:24,000
or four of those were with Avi

2987
02:23:28,730 --> 02:23:25,859
and I tried to get him to go live and

2988
02:23:34,610 --> 02:23:28,740
there was a couple of moments uh there

2989
02:23:39,590 --> 02:23:37,910
so uh there you go now I was uh you know

2990
02:23:42,889 --> 02:23:39,600
listening to the show tonight and I

2991
02:23:46,010 --> 02:23:42,899
listened to all of it and and and I love

2992
02:23:48,410 --> 02:23:46,020
the way uh he he brings out the

2993
02:23:50,389 --> 02:23:48,420
information I really do I uh listening

2994
02:23:52,610 --> 02:23:50,399
to it a second time tonight and I'm

2995
02:23:56,030 --> 02:23:52,620
picking up on these things uh it's just

2996
02:23:59,750 --> 02:23:56,040
incredible but there is um I I talked

2997
02:24:02,809 --> 02:23:59,760
about this the other night the pacing

2998
02:24:04,610 --> 02:24:02,819
when you do a live show and I was uh it

2999
02:24:07,490 --> 02:24:04,620
was um Micah Hanks I was talking about

3000
02:24:08,809 --> 02:24:07,500
this with Micah a live show was

3001
02:24:13,250 --> 02:24:08,819
different

3002
02:24:16,550 --> 02:24:13,260
it's it's a thing and there's adrenaline

3003
02:24:18,170 --> 02:24:16,560
and stuff and when you record like this

3004
02:24:19,969 --> 02:24:18,180
was recorded even in the middle of the

3005
02:24:22,370 --> 02:24:19,979
day right I'm I'm wide awake

3006
02:24:25,250 --> 02:24:22,380
everything's fine I'm jacked up on

3007
02:24:27,710 --> 02:24:25,260
coffee and all of that but there is a

3008
02:24:29,450 --> 02:24:27,720
different thing that happens when it's

3009
02:24:33,170 --> 02:24:29,460
recorded and I'm listening to it right

3010
02:24:37,610 --> 02:24:33,180
now and it it the pacing the edginess of

3011
02:24:39,650 --> 02:24:37,620
it is is gone you know and and that's

3012
02:24:42,110 --> 02:24:39,660
something that I recognize and I'm

3013
02:24:44,630 --> 02:24:42,120
listening to them I'm like it it needs

3014
02:24:49,330 --> 02:24:44,640
to be faster you know it's it's it

3015
02:24:52,370 --> 02:24:49,340
sounds to it to my ears uh it's to NPR

3016
02:24:55,730 --> 02:24:52,380
it's just realized this is all things

3017
02:24:59,270 --> 02:24:55,740
considered with Jimmy church and our

3018
02:25:00,469 --> 02:24:59,280
guest today is Professor Avi Loeb from

3019
02:25:04,010 --> 02:25:00,479
Harvard

3020
02:25:07,969 --> 02:25:04,020
how are you today Avi you know it it it

3021
02:25:12,230 --> 02:25:07,979
it it it no matter what and and I

3022
02:25:14,870 --> 02:25:12,240
thought uh and I mentally uh was aware

3023
02:25:17,270 --> 02:25:14,880
of this today and I thought it was you

3024
02:25:19,550 --> 02:25:17,280
know I thought I was uppity no no

3025
02:25:23,290 --> 02:25:19,560
there's something else that happens with

3026
02:25:26,330 --> 02:25:23,300
live radio that is missing from podcast

3027
02:25:29,230 --> 02:25:26,340
and and I listen to podcasts but I know

3028
02:25:31,969 --> 02:25:29,240
that I'm listening to a podcast I'm not

3029
02:25:35,270 --> 02:25:31,979
uh there are

3030
02:25:37,990 --> 02:25:35,280
let me say this there are some big

3031
02:25:41,929 --> 02:25:38,000
podcasts out there that I listen to

3032
02:25:44,410 --> 02:25:41,939
and I can tell

3033
02:25:49,429 --> 02:25:44,420
it's edited

3034
02:25:52,670 --> 02:25:49,439
I can tell I can hear the edits

3035
02:25:55,969 --> 02:25:52,680
um I can hear the changes and things and

3036
02:25:59,630 --> 02:25:55,979
and and the tonality of it where it is

3037
02:26:01,969 --> 02:25:59,640
just this relaxed atmosphere

3038
02:26:04,130 --> 02:26:01,979
um now I'm okay with it because I know

3039
02:26:06,770 --> 02:26:04,140
that's what it is but as far as Fade to

3040
02:26:08,510 --> 02:26:06,780
Black Goes you know this uh this

3041
02:26:11,990 --> 02:26:08,520
conversation with Avi was great it was

3042
02:26:14,150 --> 02:26:12,000
awesome his his part of it is is cool my

3043
02:26:15,770 --> 02:26:14,160
side it's a little

3044
02:26:16,910 --> 02:26:15,780
it's a little

3045
02:26:20,630 --> 02:26:16,920
you know

3046
02:26:24,110 --> 02:26:20,640
the foot is off the accelerator it's uh

3047
02:26:25,730 --> 02:26:24,120
yeah yeah and I can hear it so but

3048
02:26:28,370 --> 02:26:25,740
anyway it was a it was a great

3049
02:26:31,490 --> 02:26:28,380
conversation I want to thank him

3050
02:26:33,349 --> 02:26:31,500
um for coming on and now this might have

3051
02:26:38,530 --> 02:26:33,359
gotten lost in the conversation oh by

3052
02:26:42,650 --> 02:26:39,950
747-228-2051-747-228-2051 there's no

3053
02:26:45,889 --> 02:26:42,660
fader night this week fader night is now

3054
02:26:48,190 --> 02:26:45,899
so if you've got something to say it is

3055
02:26:53,950 --> 02:26:48,200
now

3056
02:27:02,929 --> 02:26:59,330
Bobby and I had the the interview

3057
02:27:04,610 --> 02:27:02,939
scheduled and we traded uh uh emails

3058
02:27:06,469 --> 02:27:04,620
back and forth I delayed it five minutes

3059
02:27:08,690 --> 02:27:06,479
there was uh some food that was

3060
02:27:10,969 --> 02:27:08,700
delivered here to the studio and I

3061
02:27:13,910 --> 02:27:10,979
wanted to be able to uh to eat the food

3062
02:27:15,530 --> 02:27:13,920
and and uh and not let I told him I said

3063
02:27:18,469 --> 02:27:15,540
man I just got food delivery can I eat

3064
02:27:20,330 --> 02:27:18,479
really he said yeah sure and then

3065
02:27:23,030 --> 02:27:20,340
um so we delayed it like five minutes so

3066
02:27:25,389 --> 02:27:23,040
I could scarf uh scarf down this food

3067
02:27:29,030 --> 02:27:25,399
and and then

3068
02:27:30,410 --> 02:27:29,040
uh uh I start reaching out to him and he

3069
02:27:32,750 --> 02:27:30,420
doesn't pick up doesn't pick up doesn't

3070
02:27:35,090 --> 02:27:32,760
pick up doesn't pick up for 15 minutes

3071
02:27:37,969 --> 02:27:35,100
and he said Jimmy

3072
02:27:39,889 --> 02:27:37,979
I didn't expect this this just happened

3073
02:27:42,110 --> 02:27:39,899
Harvard

3074
02:27:44,090 --> 02:27:42,120
has opened up crowdfunding for the

3075
02:27:45,889 --> 02:27:44,100
Galileo project I was like what he said

3076
02:27:48,830 --> 02:27:45,899
yes so let's let's talk about this

3077
02:27:51,710 --> 02:27:48,840
tonight on the show and he uh sends me

3078
02:27:53,710 --> 02:27:51,720
the links and and I push you guys saw it

3079
02:27:56,510 --> 02:27:53,720
I pushed it out there into social media

3080
02:27:59,030 --> 02:27:56,520
so all of that got delayed I don't want

3081
02:28:02,750 --> 02:27:59,040
that to get lost on everybody that was a

3082
02:28:05,510 --> 02:28:02,760
very big deal and his excitement about

3083
02:28:09,170 --> 02:28:05,520
this uh before the show

3084
02:28:10,610 --> 02:28:09,180
um was was really cool so the the links

3085
02:28:12,830 --> 02:28:10,620
are out there if you want to get

3086
02:28:14,750 --> 02:28:12,840
involved in one of the coolest things

3087
02:28:18,590 --> 02:28:14,760
like ever

3088
02:28:20,510 --> 02:28:18,600
ever right now go click on the links go

3089
02:28:22,130 --> 02:28:20,520
over to the Galileo project over at

3090
02:28:25,849 --> 02:28:22,140
Harvard I've got the links up in social

3091
02:28:28,190 --> 02:28:25,859
media if uh if you've missed that then

3092
02:28:30,410 --> 02:28:28,200
you can go ahead and do a Google search

3093
02:28:31,849 --> 02:28:30,420
for Harvard and the Galileo project go

3094
02:28:34,849 --> 02:28:31,859
straight to the home page there at

3095
02:28:37,929 --> 02:28:34,859
Harvard and it says right there fund us

3096
02:28:42,530 --> 02:28:37,939
fund me fund us click on that and go

3097
02:28:45,070 --> 02:28:42,540
because as I stated earlier tonight in

3098
02:28:49,670 --> 02:28:45,080
my opening rant

3099
02:28:53,809 --> 02:28:49,680
the one thing that has been missing

3100
02:28:56,389 --> 02:28:53,819
in all of this look we've got the media

3101
02:28:58,250 --> 02:28:56,399
right we've got that we've got all the

3102
02:28:59,929 --> 02:28:58,260
podcasts we've got all the TV shows

3103
02:29:01,610 --> 02:28:59,939
we've got the Senate intelligence

3104
02:29:04,070 --> 02:29:01,620
committee we've got these whacked out

3105
02:29:06,170 --> 02:29:04,080
Navy videos we have we have Pilots

3106
02:29:08,389 --> 02:29:06,180
coming forward and crew members we've

3107
02:29:10,309 --> 02:29:08,399
got all of this we have the UAP task

3108
02:29:13,309 --> 02:29:10,319
force we have the UAP task force report

3109
02:29:15,349 --> 02:29:13,319
all of the the movies the TV's in the

3110
02:29:18,290 --> 02:29:15,359
documentary all of this is happening

3111
02:29:21,530 --> 02:29:18,300
right now and it's all great but there's

3112
02:29:27,309 --> 02:29:21,540
one thing that has been missing

3113
02:29:29,990 --> 02:29:27,319
all along and that is for somebody of

3114
02:29:33,050 --> 02:29:30,000
avilobe's caliber

3115
02:29:35,630 --> 02:29:33,060
right there to come in and go look I'm

3116
02:29:38,050 --> 02:29:35,640
putting this team together the brightest

3117
02:29:41,210 --> 02:29:38,060
Minds a scientist

3118
02:29:44,230 --> 02:29:41,220
undergraduates grad students I'm putting

3119
02:29:48,730 --> 02:29:44,240
together a team of 70

3120
02:29:52,910 --> 02:29:48,740
70 scientists that are going to

3121
02:29:55,309 --> 02:29:52,920
photograph video monitor everything that

3122
02:29:56,510 --> 02:29:55,319
is flying we're gonna take out the stuff

3123
02:29:58,070 --> 02:29:56,520
that doesn't matter we're going to take

3124
02:29:59,750 --> 02:29:58,080
out the blood so we're going to take out

3125
02:30:04,910 --> 02:29:59,760
that we're going to take out there but

3126
02:30:07,309 --> 02:30:04,920
we are going to identify uh uaps and we

3127
02:30:10,510 --> 02:30:07,319
are going to study them we are going to

3128
02:30:14,450 --> 02:30:10,520
capture them with automated high-res

3129
02:30:19,610 --> 02:30:14,460
telescopes we are going to get it done

3130
02:30:23,510 --> 02:30:19,620
and apply the scientific method to this

3131
02:30:25,130 --> 02:30:23,520
phenomena and that we are going to say

3132
02:30:28,250 --> 02:30:25,140
hello to ET we're going to figure this

3133
02:30:32,270 --> 02:30:28,260
out that has been the missing link

3134
02:30:34,969 --> 02:30:32,280
so now Harvard said yes this is active

3135
02:30:38,030 --> 02:30:34,979
this is now this is not a proposal this

3136
02:30:39,950 --> 02:30:38,040
is not an idea this is not uh some

3137
02:30:43,730 --> 02:30:39,960
people sitting around a table and

3138
02:30:46,070 --> 02:30:43,740
discussing things this is happening and

3139
02:30:49,550 --> 02:30:46,080
if you've ever wanted to be a part of

3140
02:30:52,670 --> 02:30:49,560
something great this is it right now go

3141
02:30:55,370 --> 02:30:52,680
go and and contribute whatever you can a

3142
02:30:58,969 --> 02:30:55,380
buck a dollar two dollars three dollars

3143
02:31:02,270 --> 02:30:58,979
a thousand whatever you got right

3144
02:31:03,730 --> 02:31:02,280
this is the time I am so excited about

3145
02:31:07,070 --> 02:31:03,740
this his

3146
02:31:08,630 --> 02:31:07,080
enthusiasm you know and I was watching

3147
02:31:11,630 --> 02:31:08,640
uh earlier

3148
02:31:17,150 --> 02:31:11,640
I was watching uh some of the comments

3149
02:31:21,230 --> 02:31:17,160
about uh Avi uh smiling and I'm here to

3150
02:31:24,050 --> 02:31:21,240
tell you and I by the way I am working

3151
02:31:27,290 --> 02:31:24,060
on one of the reasons why I can't share

3152
02:31:29,170 --> 02:31:27,300
screens and and do that is the

3153
02:31:35,210 --> 02:31:29,180
limitations of this studio

3154
02:31:38,750 --> 02:31:35,220
I don't uh run everything on a laptop or

3155
02:31:40,849 --> 02:31:38,760
on one computer that's why if I had that

3156
02:31:43,370 --> 02:31:40,859
I would just share screen I would have

3157
02:31:46,130 --> 02:31:43,380
it here and and send it straight to

3158
02:31:48,170 --> 02:31:46,140
Youtube or or whatever and and push it

3159
02:31:50,870 --> 02:31:48,180
out that's not the way the studio was

3160
02:31:53,150 --> 02:31:50,880
set up uh the studio was set up

3161
02:31:55,550 --> 02:31:53,160
differently video runs on another

3162
02:31:57,710 --> 02:31:55,560
computer over there so whatever I have

3163
02:32:00,889 --> 02:31:57,720
on this screen it no that's not what

3164
02:32:03,650 --> 02:32:00,899
happens I have a camera that is plugged

3165
02:32:06,650 --> 02:32:03,660
in to that computer what is going on

3166
02:32:09,349 --> 02:32:06,660
here the the guests are on another

3167
02:32:11,150 --> 02:32:09,359
computer over here my second guests or

3168
02:32:14,750 --> 02:32:11,160
call in lines or whatever are on another

3169
02:32:17,090 --> 02:32:14,760
computer here you can't merge the two

3170
02:32:21,290 --> 02:32:17,100
you it doesn't work that way you can't

3171
02:32:25,070 --> 02:32:21,300
output uh now there are uh there's a new

3172
02:32:27,830 --> 02:32:25,080
software technology called ndi all right

3173
02:32:31,849 --> 02:32:27,840
now I've got ndi running and that that

3174
02:32:35,030 --> 02:32:31,859
picks up a video stream on a on a on a

3175
02:32:37,190 --> 02:32:35,040
network specifically this I have six

3176
02:32:39,950 --> 02:32:37,200
computers that are plugged in here to

3177
02:32:43,550 --> 02:32:39,960
this ethernet hub and I have that

3178
02:32:46,010 --> 02:32:43,560
Network so I can send the ndi out as a

3179
02:32:51,290 --> 02:32:46,020
guest over here but

3180
02:32:53,929 --> 02:32:51,300
I Lose Myself And so it's either or and

3181
02:32:56,090 --> 02:32:53,939
I can't sit here and switch and look

3182
02:32:58,910 --> 02:32:56,100
over here at this computer and switch

3183
02:33:01,670 --> 02:32:58,920
between the two like other people do and

3184
02:33:03,790 --> 02:33:01,680
if it's uh if it's a recording that's

3185
02:33:07,550 --> 02:33:03,800
all easy enough to do but this is live

3186
02:33:11,150 --> 02:33:07,560
so I would need literally a producer or

3187
02:33:13,790 --> 02:33:11,160
a director sitting at that computer

3188
02:33:16,309 --> 02:33:13,800
and bouncing uh between the two or

3189
02:33:18,650 --> 02:33:16,319
merging them I don't have the ability to

3190
02:33:22,190 --> 02:33:18,660
do that live so that's why that hasn't

3191
02:33:23,570 --> 02:33:22,200
happened now back to uh what I was

3192
02:33:26,410 --> 02:33:23,580
saying

3193
02:33:30,590 --> 02:33:26,420
um uh the the

3194
02:33:33,830 --> 02:33:30,600
uh the project is as important as

3195
02:33:37,490 --> 02:33:33,840
anything that has ever happened before

3196
02:33:40,550 --> 02:33:37,500
and and I believe I know what goes on in

3197
02:33:43,250 --> 02:33:40,560
the skies I I know this I've seen it I

3198
02:33:46,610 --> 02:33:43,260
know what goes on every single night

3199
02:33:48,290 --> 02:33:46,620
every single day of the year something

3200
02:33:52,429 --> 02:33:48,300
crazy is going on

3201
02:33:56,570 --> 02:33:52,439
so absorb what Avi said

3202
02:33:57,710 --> 02:33:56,580
he is talking about points around the

3203
02:34:00,889 --> 02:33:57,720
world

3204
02:34:02,510 --> 02:34:00,899
from these stations some are

3205
02:34:06,170 --> 02:34:02,520
observatories

3206
02:34:08,870 --> 02:34:06,180
schools where you are going to have a

3207
02:34:14,630 --> 02:34:08,880
couple of different telescopes one

3208
02:34:17,570 --> 02:34:14,640
is going to be looking at the entire sky

3209
02:34:21,349 --> 02:34:17,580
at that point everything that is visible

3210
02:34:25,190 --> 02:34:21,359
with a fisheye lens the entire sky

3211
02:34:28,849 --> 02:34:25,200
and anything that moves right automated

3212
02:34:31,309 --> 02:34:28,859
zoom in check it out and it's going to

3213
02:34:33,950 --> 02:34:31,319
be quick it's going to be fast but if

3214
02:34:37,610 --> 02:34:33,960
you are doing that and you're looking at

3215
02:34:39,230 --> 02:34:37,620
everything everything quickly quickly

3216
02:34:41,270 --> 02:34:39,240
you can do this fast you can see

3217
02:34:44,510 --> 02:34:41,280
everything that's in the sky you are

3218
02:34:46,309 --> 02:34:44,520
going to find uaps you're going to find

3219
02:34:48,170 --> 02:34:46,319
UFOs you're going to find anomalies

3220
02:34:50,750 --> 02:34:48,180
you're going to find phenomenon and

3221
02:34:54,050 --> 02:34:50,760
you're going to find a lot of it fisheye

3222
02:34:56,990 --> 02:34:54,060
and then zoom in this is great and it's

3223
02:34:59,210 --> 02:34:57,000
never been done before you would think

3224
02:35:02,690 --> 02:34:59,220
right you would think that it's been

3225
02:35:04,190 --> 02:35:02,700
done it hasn't it has not been done it's

3226
02:35:06,550 --> 02:35:04,200
one of the most exciting things that's

3227
02:35:09,650 --> 02:35:06,560
why I told live you are going to have

3228
02:35:11,510 --> 02:35:09,660
more work than you can handle you're

3229
02:35:14,929 --> 02:35:11,520
going to have a lot of fun that's 70

3230
02:35:18,230 --> 02:35:14,939
people yeah it's not enough if you're

3231
02:35:19,670 --> 02:35:18,240
going to open up this Floodgate so think

3232
02:35:21,889 --> 02:35:19,680
about this

3233
02:35:23,150 --> 02:35:21,899
all right just think about it think

3234
02:35:25,670 --> 02:35:23,160
about it

3235
02:35:28,309 --> 02:35:25,680
it's incredible it's incredible this is

3236
02:35:30,950 --> 02:35:28,319
the guy we need on our team

3237
02:35:32,870 --> 02:35:30,960
um oh so what I was saying I'm watching

3238
02:35:35,389 --> 02:35:32,880
Avi smile

3239
02:35:38,870 --> 02:35:35,399
I'm watching him talk I'm watching his

3240
02:35:43,910 --> 02:35:38,880
enthusiasm uh and his happiness about

3241
02:35:47,090 --> 02:35:43,920
this Avi is smiling he is in a a good

3242
02:35:51,110 --> 02:35:47,100
headspace right now he is excited about

3243
02:35:54,469 --> 02:35:51,120
this and to have a a professor of

3244
02:35:56,870 --> 02:35:54,479
astronomy that heads to chairs at

3245
02:35:59,150 --> 02:35:56,880
Harvard saying hey

3246
02:36:01,910 --> 02:35:59,160
I'm gonna find out what's going on with

3247
02:36:05,150 --> 02:36:01,920
E.T I'm gonna find the evidence I'm

3248
02:36:07,010 --> 02:36:05,160
gonna do astral archeology and I am

3249
02:36:09,950 --> 02:36:07,020
going to get to the bottom of this and

3250
02:36:11,030 --> 02:36:09,960
that is what is happening it is not an

3251
02:36:14,929 --> 02:36:11,040
idea

3252
02:36:17,150 --> 02:36:14,939
this is a project that is underway so I

3253
02:36:20,210 --> 02:36:17,160
put up the links if you ever wanted to

3254
02:36:22,670 --> 02:36:20,220
get involved with something uh as as

3255
02:36:26,570 --> 02:36:22,680
cool as this I mean like the the for

3256
02:36:29,630 --> 02:36:26,580
Real Deal stuff the shiz nickel this is

3257
02:36:31,910 --> 02:36:29,640
the project this is the one all right uh

3258
02:36:34,849 --> 02:36:31,920
I've got calls on hold let's see who is

3259
02:36:38,389 --> 02:36:34,859
up who is first

3260
02:36:41,330 --> 02:36:38,399
let's go here did I do that right I did

3261
02:36:43,190 --> 02:36:41,340
do that right all right all right you're

3262
02:36:47,570 --> 02:36:43,200
live on Fade to Black oh hold on a

3263
02:36:50,090 --> 02:36:47,580
second man I got to come back here I've

3264
02:36:53,090 --> 02:36:50,100
got to oh no I'm right okay hi you're

3265
02:36:55,550 --> 02:36:53,100
live on Fade to block who's calling hi

3266
02:36:57,110 --> 02:36:55,560
Jimmy you're right I gotcha it's Deb hi

3267
02:37:00,410 --> 02:36:57,120
Deb

3268
02:37:02,090 --> 02:37:00,420
hi yes I'm glad you have his links

3269
02:37:04,370 --> 02:37:02,100
posted I definitely want to uh

3270
02:37:06,070 --> 02:37:04,380
contribute you know Avi is one of those

3271
02:37:09,190 --> 02:37:06,080
people that just

3272
02:37:12,950 --> 02:37:09,200
he you're right he he's just so likable

3273
02:37:16,490 --> 02:37:12,960
and he's always so energetic and full of

3274
02:37:17,570 --> 02:37:16,500
enthusiasm and he's engaging and I just

3275
02:37:19,010 --> 02:37:17,580
listened to him the other day on

3276
02:37:21,170 --> 02:37:19,020
Christina's show and then I couldn't

3277
02:37:22,610 --> 02:37:21,180
still couldn't wait to hear him tonight

3278
02:37:24,530 --> 02:37:22,620
um I get a little bit distracted over

3279
02:37:25,910 --> 02:37:24,540
here in the YouTube chat room so I know

3280
02:37:29,330 --> 02:37:25,920
I'm going to go back and re-listen to

3281
02:37:32,210 --> 02:37:29,340
everything but you know his excitement

3282
02:37:34,250 --> 02:37:32,220
it just makes me you know more

3283
02:37:36,670 --> 02:37:34,260
um I don't want to say anxious but just

3284
02:37:39,170 --> 02:37:36,680
excited for the whole thing and um

3285
02:37:41,929 --> 02:37:39,180
archaeoastronomy is a fascinating area

3286
02:37:43,370 --> 02:37:41,939
as well what's always interested me

3287
02:37:45,469 --> 02:37:43,380
yep

3288
02:37:47,150 --> 02:37:45,479
and that's my answer to that okay

3289
02:37:51,469 --> 02:37:47,160
anything else

3290
02:37:55,910 --> 02:37:51,479
I mean look this is this is the deal

3291
02:37:59,150 --> 02:37:55,920
um and and and again I tried to

3292
02:38:01,550 --> 02:37:59,160
I tried to drive a couple of points home

3293
02:38:04,670 --> 02:38:01,560
uh for the audience so they can

3294
02:38:08,750 --> 02:38:04,680
understand exactly what is being played

3295
02:38:11,030 --> 02:38:08,760
out here and one of the points that I

3296
02:38:15,950 --> 02:38:11,040
made tonight and I'm going to make it

3297
02:38:18,410 --> 02:38:15,960
again that I'm wondering how many out

3298
02:38:21,610 --> 02:38:18,420
there in the scientific community and

3299
02:38:24,889 --> 02:38:21,620
you know in in astronomy in physics and

3300
02:38:27,710 --> 02:38:24,899
astrophysics how many of them are

3301
02:38:29,929 --> 02:38:27,720
interested in this but they don't want

3302
02:38:31,730 --> 02:38:29,939
to be the dude they don't want to be the

3303
02:38:33,650 --> 02:38:31,740
dudette they don't want to be first they

3304
02:38:35,090 --> 02:38:33,660
don't want to face ridicule they don't

3305
02:38:36,950 --> 02:38:35,100
want to be teased they don't want to be

3306
02:38:39,410 --> 02:38:36,960
the UFO guy they don't want to have

3307
02:38:41,270 --> 02:38:39,420
people talking hey that take me to your

3308
02:38:43,250 --> 02:38:41,280
leader that's him that's him that's

3309
02:38:45,469 --> 02:38:43,260
that's her over there you don't want to

3310
02:38:48,349 --> 02:38:45,479
be that person and I understand that

3311
02:38:51,110 --> 02:38:48,359
fear you just don't want to be that

3312
02:38:55,490 --> 02:38:51,120
somebody had to be first and you know

3313
02:38:58,190 --> 02:38:55,500
what it was Avi Loeb so now Avi says Hey

3314
02:39:01,270 --> 02:38:58,200
right he gets the support of Harvard he

3315
02:39:04,429 --> 02:39:01,280
writes it up uh he releases the book

3316
02:39:06,710 --> 02:39:04,439
extraterrestrial he gets uh Yuri Milner

3317
02:39:09,429 --> 02:39:06,720
to come on board he gets Stephen Hawking

3318
02:39:13,010 --> 02:39:09,439
uh in the play now all of a sudden

3319
02:39:17,270 --> 02:39:13,020
everybody wants to be avi's friend right

3320
02:39:20,270 --> 02:39:17,280
now he's got 70. he's got 70 people he's

3321
02:39:23,030 --> 02:39:20,280
got 70 researchers 70 scientists on

3322
02:39:25,969 --> 02:39:23,040
board on this project already and that's

3323
02:39:28,610 --> 02:39:25,979
just now he just had this press

3324
02:39:31,130 --> 02:39:28,620
conference two weeks ago so how many

3325
02:39:34,250 --> 02:39:31,140
more are now like okay you know what I

3326
02:39:36,469 --> 02:39:34,260
think it's safe right I think that's

3327
02:39:38,210 --> 02:39:36,479
right well and that's right the RV

3328
02:39:40,790 --> 02:39:38,220
training this is what happens Jimmy this

3329
02:39:43,670 --> 02:39:40,800
is what happens when one person puts

3330
02:39:46,309 --> 02:39:43,680
self-preservation aside and takes that

3331
02:39:48,650 --> 02:39:46,319
leap and and we're witnessing it and

3332
02:39:50,870 --> 02:39:48,660
what a courageous awesome person he is

3333
02:39:53,929 --> 02:39:50,880
and like I said that's what attracts me

3334
02:39:56,389 --> 02:39:53,939
to him he is just he is just a superstar

3335
02:39:59,090 --> 02:39:56,399
as far as I'm concerned he gets it as of

3336
02:40:01,730 --> 02:39:59,100
love I love it yes he does he's bringing

3337
02:40:03,530 --> 02:40:01,740
us all along into it you know he helps

3338
02:40:06,950 --> 02:40:03,540
us understand it too and it's so cool

3339
02:40:09,410 --> 02:40:06,960
well when I brought up I I kept uh

3340
02:40:12,590 --> 02:40:09,420
bringing up a few points that I've

3341
02:40:15,170 --> 02:40:12,600
talked about on this show enough but I

3342
02:40:17,290 --> 02:40:15,180
had to swing it back around to Avi so

3343
02:40:20,150 --> 02:40:17,300
everybody could understand

3344
02:40:22,849 --> 02:40:20,160
the implications and how serious these

3345
02:40:24,070 --> 02:40:22,859
subjects are when he makes a statement

3346
02:40:26,710 --> 02:40:24,080
like

3347
02:40:30,309 --> 02:40:26,720
omuamua and if you remember

3348
02:40:34,750 --> 02:40:30,319
omuamua uh with uh the artist uh

3349
02:40:38,510 --> 02:40:34,760
representations there are no uh images

3350
02:40:43,130 --> 02:40:38,520
right right it was this well Avi says

3351
02:40:47,929 --> 02:40:43,140
hey wait hold on a minute hold on it's

3352
02:40:52,190 --> 02:40:47,939
not a cigar right no it's it's a it's a

3353
02:40:55,250 --> 02:40:52,200
pancake and you're like yes what and I'm

3354
02:40:58,910 --> 02:40:55,260
telling you so in the book in the book I

3355
02:41:00,650 --> 02:40:58,920
think he says pancake once that word is

3356
02:41:02,990 --> 02:41:00,660
only in there once so if you're just

3357
02:41:06,309 --> 02:41:03,000
flipping pages and pounding which is

3358
02:41:11,570 --> 02:41:06,319
fine you may have missed it and he

3359
02:41:13,849 --> 02:41:11,580
explains his reasons and what data uh

3360
02:41:16,969 --> 02:41:13,859
took him in that direction but it's only

3361
02:41:19,210 --> 02:41:16,979
there just in a brief moment in the book

3362
02:41:22,130 --> 02:41:19,220
and it's one of the most profound

3363
02:41:25,790 --> 02:41:22,140
statements he made in the entire book

3364
02:41:28,910 --> 02:41:25,800
that that one and I had to come back and

3365
02:41:31,250 --> 02:41:28,920
go to Avi look you know that's a nugget

3366
02:41:32,929 --> 02:41:31,260
that most people nobody talked about it

3367
02:41:36,469 --> 02:41:32,939
it wasn't in the Press they talked about

3368
02:41:38,690 --> 02:41:36,479
X extraterrestrial and and omu mua may

3369
02:41:41,290 --> 02:41:38,700
be artificial and and yes he went out

3370
02:41:44,510 --> 02:41:41,300
and spoke about it but nobody brought up

3371
02:41:46,210 --> 02:41:44,520
the pancake reference what the heck are

3372
02:41:50,090 --> 02:41:46,220
you talking about

3373
02:41:52,809 --> 02:41:50,100
a pancake only looks like one thing a

3374
02:41:58,670 --> 02:41:52,819
pancake so either

3375
02:42:01,929 --> 02:41:58,680
was this or it was a flying saucer right

3376
02:42:06,429 --> 02:42:01,939
and and and his explanations for that

3377
02:42:09,530 --> 02:42:06,439
which are uh not only extraordinary but

3378
02:42:13,429 --> 02:42:09,540
simplistic look man it's flipping over

3379
02:42:16,370 --> 02:42:13,439
the light is changing by 90 and you're

3380
02:42:20,210 --> 02:42:16,380
not gonna get that from this you're

3381
02:42:25,490 --> 02:42:20,220
going to only get that from this and and

3382
02:42:29,150 --> 02:42:25,500
that it's a crazy and for Avi to

3383
02:42:30,590 --> 02:42:29,160
um not only stand strong but the

3384
02:42:32,450 --> 02:42:30,600
statements are simple

3385
02:42:35,750 --> 02:42:32,460
the data

3386
02:42:38,330 --> 02:42:35,760
I'm not this is not my imagination

3387
02:42:42,230 --> 02:42:38,340
it's the data this is what the data is

3388
02:42:45,110 --> 02:42:42,240
saying that is who is in our Corner

3389
02:42:46,849 --> 02:42:45,120
that's the guy that is swinging for the

3390
02:42:48,889 --> 02:42:46,859
fences right now

3391
02:42:50,750 --> 02:42:48,899
right and the Really courageous thing

3392
02:42:53,630 --> 02:42:50,760
that he did recently one of the last

3393
02:42:55,790 --> 02:42:53,640
podcasts I heard him on was

3394
02:42:58,010 --> 02:42:55,800
um he challenged he said you know we can

3395
02:43:00,830 --> 02:42:58,020
I find it amazing that we can photograph

3396
02:43:03,469 --> 02:43:00,840
the rings of Saturn yet when this object

3397
02:43:05,330 --> 02:43:03,479
floated through our universe you know on

3398
02:43:07,130 --> 02:43:05,340
autopilot or whatever we just couldn't

3399
02:43:09,050 --> 02:43:07,140
manage to get a decent picture of it

3400
02:43:10,730 --> 02:43:09,060
even at how close it was we just don't

3401
02:43:12,710 --> 02:43:10,740
have the technology to get a decent

3402
02:43:14,450 --> 02:43:12,720
picture of that but yeah we can go all

3403
02:43:15,710 --> 02:43:14,460
the way out and get the rings of Saturn

3404
02:43:18,469 --> 02:43:15,720
and he brought that up and it's just

3405
02:43:21,530 --> 02:43:18,479
like he challenged them that's what we

3406
02:43:25,309 --> 02:43:21,540
love about him yeah yeah yeah except

3407
02:43:27,769 --> 02:43:25,319
um and and he's right but he's not

3408
02:43:31,790 --> 02:43:27,779
um I I think you missed something there

3409
02:43:34,969 --> 02:43:31,800
in in his answer but it's it's this the

3410
02:43:38,330 --> 02:43:34,979
freaking thing is going 250

3411
02:43:43,250 --> 02:43:38,340
000 miles an hour it's not you know and

3412
02:43:46,490 --> 02:43:43,260
when uh when an object uh you know an

3413
02:43:48,710 --> 02:43:46,500
asteroid and it's traveling at 17 000

3414
02:43:51,170 --> 02:43:48,720
miles an hour that's ripping fast right

3415
02:43:55,969 --> 02:43:51,180
it's traveling at thirty thousand that's

3416
02:44:00,290 --> 02:43:55,979
really fast uh omu omua came in popped

3417
02:44:02,389 --> 02:44:00,300
up so quickly that everybody was uh uh

3418
02:44:05,809 --> 02:44:02,399
you know on the phones a date is going

3419
02:44:07,910 --> 02:44:05,819
off uh you know signals are are being

3420
02:44:10,070 --> 02:44:07,920
tripped and and this object gets picked

3421
02:44:14,330 --> 02:44:10,080
up by the time every but I'm talking

3422
02:44:18,050 --> 02:44:14,340
about an hour 350

3423
02:44:20,870 --> 02:44:18,060
000 miles an hour in an hour it's it's

3424
02:44:24,050 --> 02:44:20,880
already gone past the the distance from

3425
02:44:27,170 --> 02:44:24,060
the Earth to the Moon in an hour an hour

3426
02:44:30,170 --> 02:44:27,180
after that and an hour after the next

3427
02:44:33,290 --> 02:44:30,180
thing you know a day later it's it's

3428
02:44:36,290 --> 02:44:33,300
it's it's cruising by Mars you know and

3429
02:44:39,650 --> 02:44:36,300
and the day after that it it's on its

3430
02:44:41,750 --> 02:44:39,660
way out to Saturn and Jupiter and and

3431
02:44:45,410 --> 02:44:41,760
out of our solar system so there wasn't

3432
02:44:47,870 --> 02:44:45,420
time to react there wasn't Time to whip

3433
02:44:50,570 --> 02:44:47,880
satellites around and tell it was gone

3434
02:44:52,610 --> 02:44:50,580
it was gone and it wasn't that big of an

3435
02:44:55,690 --> 02:44:52,620
object way to party with other planets

3436
02:44:58,910 --> 02:44:55,700
it's going to go party on other planets

3437
02:45:02,090 --> 02:44:58,920
it left forwarded with people it left

3438
02:45:05,210 --> 02:45:02,100
like it it was never here it was really

3439
02:45:07,429 --> 02:45:05,220
that fast so there wasn't any time to

3440
02:45:10,610 --> 02:45:07,439
react and a lot of this data that comes

3441
02:45:13,550 --> 02:45:10,620
in that's a good point yeah you get this

3442
02:45:15,889 --> 02:45:13,560
data the next day right and you're

3443
02:45:18,290 --> 02:45:15,899
looking over it you're not you're not

3444
02:45:20,510 --> 02:45:18,300
looking at pictures you're not that's

3445
02:45:22,849 --> 02:45:20,520
not it it's data so you're looking at it

3446
02:45:24,950 --> 02:45:22,859
oh uh and you're you know and you're

3447
02:45:27,050 --> 02:45:24,960
looking at you know the lines of

3448
02:45:29,570 --> 02:45:27,060
information and the logging and you're

3449
02:45:32,809 --> 02:45:29,580
like okay what happened how fast what

3450
02:45:35,450 --> 02:45:32,819
what what's going on and and and that's

3451
02:45:38,210 --> 02:45:35,460
now two days have gone by and it's it's

3452
02:45:40,610 --> 02:45:38,220
now you know every 10 hours it's going

3453
02:45:43,849 --> 02:45:40,620
three and a half million miles

3454
02:45:47,330 --> 02:45:43,859
you have to think about is think about

3455
02:45:51,410 --> 02:45:47,340
it in those terms so the opportunity and

3456
02:45:55,070 --> 02:45:51,420
I wasn't so yeah the opportunity to uh

3457
02:45:58,969 --> 02:45:55,080
to catch all of this uh it was gone and

3458
02:46:00,950 --> 02:45:58,979
he talks about it in the book we uh the

3459
02:46:04,070 --> 02:46:00,960
opportunity was completely missed the

3460
02:46:06,830 --> 02:46:04,080
opportunity on Imaging uh the

3461
02:46:09,290 --> 02:46:06,840
opportunity on data collection because

3462
02:46:11,870 --> 02:46:09,300
all of the you know Hubble right Hubble

3463
02:46:16,670 --> 02:46:11,880
could have been anything could have been

3464
02:46:19,670 --> 02:46:16,680
pointed by the time uh uh we knew it was

3465
02:46:21,349 --> 02:46:19,680
gone so we had to go back and and most

3466
02:46:23,750 --> 02:46:21,359
of the information that was there is

3467
02:46:26,570 --> 02:46:23,760
data collection it's not it's not from

3468
02:46:29,650 --> 02:46:26,580
Imaging so and that's it that's it we

3469
02:46:33,050 --> 02:46:29,660
don't have an uh a good image of of

3470
02:46:34,190 --> 02:46:33,060
omuamua okay so uh before I get to the

3471
02:46:36,710 --> 02:46:34,200
other calls

3472
02:46:38,450 --> 02:46:36,720
yeah real quick real quick well did you

3473
02:46:40,130 --> 02:46:38,460
want to say something else before I do

3474
02:46:41,690 --> 02:46:40,140
two quick things I can keep talking for

3475
02:46:43,550 --> 02:46:41,700
the next three hours I haven't said

3476
02:46:46,490 --> 02:46:43,560
anything tonight so I'm gonna cut you

3477
02:46:48,170 --> 02:46:46,500
off I gotta pivot you over okay where do

3478
02:46:50,030 --> 02:46:48,180
I go now I'm taking your

3479
02:46:52,070 --> 02:46:50,040
thanks for taking your are you still

3480
02:46:53,510 --> 02:46:52,080
talking oh I'm sorry I'm watching the I

3481
02:46:56,090 --> 02:46:53,520
gotta quit looking at the screen that

3482
02:46:57,650 --> 02:46:56,100
there's a time delay damn okay thank you

3483
02:47:00,110 --> 02:46:57,660
for taking your green glittery guitar

3484
02:47:01,790 --> 02:47:00,120
off the wall and put it in the camera I

3485
02:47:05,750 --> 02:47:01,800
love that guitar it's the prettiest one

3486
02:47:07,429 --> 02:47:05,760
up there and playing it with uh of you

3487
02:47:09,349 --> 02:47:07,439
talking and us not hearing you that

3488
02:47:11,809 --> 02:47:09,359
doesn't count Jimmy nope it doesn't so

3489
02:47:15,250 --> 02:47:11,819
here are my turns no there are no terms

3490
02:47:19,309 --> 02:47:15,260
the mystery will continue

3491
02:47:21,230 --> 02:47:19,319
okay mystery will continue

3492
02:47:22,670 --> 02:47:21,240
stop are you going to play it at the

3493
02:47:24,650 --> 02:47:22,680
conference because the other day you

3494
02:47:26,870 --> 02:47:24,660
said you were on the campus and you were

3495
02:47:28,910 --> 02:47:26,880
shredding Tasty Licks but none of us

3496
02:47:30,349 --> 02:47:28,920
were there to see it haha well we're

3497
02:47:32,150 --> 02:47:30,359
going to be at the conference some of us

3498
02:47:35,090 --> 02:47:32,160
are you going to play your guitar and

3499
02:47:38,330 --> 02:47:35,100
entertain us uh hold on for a second uh

3500
02:47:42,050 --> 02:47:38,340
no the answer is no but uh of course not

3501
02:47:43,969 --> 02:47:42,060
let me see if I can find hold on for a

3502
02:47:47,809 --> 02:47:43,979
second let me see here hold on

3503
02:47:53,269 --> 02:47:49,550
uh see

3504
02:47:55,849 --> 02:47:53,279
uh uh oh I don't have anything on this

3505
02:48:00,170 --> 02:47:55,859
computer I thought I did I thought I had

3506
02:48:03,110 --> 02:48:00,180
some uh some fancy Jimmy licks uh on

3507
02:48:04,990 --> 02:48:03,120
this on this oh see I've got calls

3508
02:48:07,849 --> 02:48:05,000
hanging up let me see if I've got Miss

3509
02:48:11,269 --> 02:48:07,859
do I have any here

3510
02:48:13,670 --> 02:48:11,279
I may not have

3511
02:48:17,389 --> 02:48:13,680
oh I was gonna do a full teaser here

3512
02:48:18,950 --> 02:48:17,399
hold on for a second let's see what you

3513
02:48:20,389 --> 02:48:18,960
love the cheese though don't you it's

3514
02:48:24,550 --> 02:48:20,399
such a specialty

3515
02:48:26,630 --> 02:48:24,560
okay well if I have something over here

3516
02:48:27,349 --> 02:48:26,640
let me see

3517
02:48:31,730 --> 02:48:27,359
um

3518
02:48:45,110 --> 02:48:38,570
let's see hang on wow I don't have uh

3519
02:48:45,120 --> 02:48:51,110
I thought I had

3520
02:48:58,190 --> 02:48:52,790
wow okay

3521
02:48:59,330 --> 02:48:58,200
um I've got uh I've got stuff bear 90 96

3522
02:49:06,769 --> 02:48:59,340
oh

3523
02:49:13,849 --> 02:49:12,050
yeah I can't find I can't find my uh

3524
02:49:17,150 --> 02:49:13,859
huh

3525
02:49:20,809 --> 02:49:17,160
okay I I've got I can't find it I I was

3526
02:49:24,469 --> 02:49:20,819
looking for some some songs and for some

3527
02:49:25,849 --> 02:49:24,479
reason they're not popping up on on this

3528
02:49:29,590 --> 02:49:25,859
computer

3529
02:49:32,870 --> 02:49:29,600
and and let me try this

3530
02:49:35,769 --> 02:49:32,880
hopefully they didn't get deleted oh no

3531
02:49:38,510 --> 02:49:35,779
no I've got uh

3532
02:49:39,889 --> 02:49:38,520
the other day the other day you flashed

3533
02:49:41,269 --> 02:49:39,899
the inside of that board I think if

3534
02:49:42,830 --> 02:49:41,279
you're on Christina's show and you put

3535
02:49:45,410 --> 02:49:42,840
the camera and showed all that stuff

3536
02:49:47,690 --> 02:49:45,420
there man that's a complicated setup

3537
02:49:49,490 --> 02:49:47,700
you've got there's like holy crap

3538
02:49:51,410 --> 02:49:49,500
you've got a lot going on there people

3539
02:49:52,960 --> 02:49:51,420
have no idea

3540
02:49:54,290 --> 02:49:52,970
something

3541
02:49:56,510 --> 02:49:54,300
[Music]

3542
02:50:00,170 --> 02:49:56,520
it's awesome people knew I did how many

3543
02:50:02,690 --> 02:50:00,180
talk about multitasking Jesus anyway

3544
02:50:04,730 --> 02:50:02,700
okay well let me let me get to these

3545
02:50:06,290 --> 02:50:04,740
other calls uh I was gonna play with

3546
02:50:09,650 --> 02:50:06,300
some music

3547
02:50:11,269 --> 02:50:09,660
next Thursday Kubrick movie trivia night

3548
02:50:13,070 --> 02:50:11,279
I am ready and I know that's why you're

3549
02:50:14,349 --> 02:50:13,080
ditching out tomorrow because you're not

3550
02:50:16,730 --> 02:50:14,359
ready

3551
02:50:18,710 --> 02:50:16,740
and so you're you can run but you can't

3552
02:50:20,510 --> 02:50:18,720
hide Jimmy and I got one warm-up

3553
02:50:23,630 --> 02:50:20,520
question for you real quick okay let's

3554
02:50:26,330 --> 02:50:23,640
see if you know this okay okay and eyes

3555
02:50:28,429 --> 02:50:26,340
wide shut that was the longest

3556
02:50:30,050 --> 02:50:28,439
production film it made the Guinness

3557
02:50:32,090 --> 02:50:30,060
Book of World History for the longest

3558
02:50:34,490 --> 02:50:32,100
hours filming or the longest days

3559
02:50:37,370 --> 02:50:34,500
filming how many days did they film

3560
02:50:38,990 --> 02:50:37,380
how many days do they I'll give you that

3561
02:50:43,809 --> 02:50:39,000
answer next I'll give you that answer

3562
02:50:46,790 --> 02:50:43,819
next Thursday have a great night Deb

3563
02:50:48,530 --> 02:50:46,800
hey I'll see at the conference I know

3564
02:50:50,929 --> 02:50:48,540
you'll be stealth but we'll see you

3565
02:50:54,050 --> 02:50:50,939
eventually have a great night thank you

3566
02:50:58,610 --> 02:50:54,060
so much you too bye

3567
02:51:00,950 --> 02:50:58,620
all right uh you know I'm not going to

3568
02:51:03,769 --> 02:51:00,960
Deb great phone call I'm not going to

3569
02:51:06,590 --> 02:51:03,779
get buried into trivia when I've got uh

3570
02:51:09,050 --> 02:51:06,600
uh people on hold I'm just I'm not gonna

3571
02:51:10,550 --> 02:51:09,060
do it I'm not gonna do it let's see

3572
02:51:12,710 --> 02:51:10,560
who's up next hi you're live on Fade to

3573
02:51:16,330 --> 02:51:12,720
Black who's calling

3574
02:51:18,410 --> 02:51:16,340
hey Jimmy it's Carrie in Palm Springs

3575
02:51:22,190 --> 02:51:18,420
yeah I knew you were calling tonight

3576
02:51:24,469 --> 02:51:22,200
after that after my comment uh earlier I

3577
02:51:27,590 --> 02:51:24,479
had the feeling how you doing Carrie

3578
02:51:29,929 --> 02:51:27,600
I'm good how are you doing I'm doing

3579
02:51:33,170 --> 02:51:29,939
fantastic you know I got to take sort of

3580
02:51:35,389 --> 02:51:33,180
a night off right yeah you know uh

3581
02:51:38,990 --> 02:51:35,399
interviewed uh Avi earlier in the day

3582
02:51:41,389 --> 02:51:39,000
and then hung out on uh Twitter and uh

3583
02:51:44,150 --> 02:51:41,399
YouTube and a little bit over in the

3584
02:51:46,610 --> 02:51:44,160
speaker chat too as well so uh yeah it

3585
02:51:48,290 --> 02:51:46,620
was it was a great uh it was a great fun

3586
02:51:50,210 --> 02:51:48,300
night

3587
02:51:54,790 --> 02:51:50,220
um I've got to be up I've got to be up

3588
02:51:58,429 --> 02:51:54,800
at 7 00 a.m I've got a hugely long day

3589
02:52:01,370 --> 02:51:58,439
in front of me so there you go what's on

3590
02:52:04,190 --> 02:52:01,380
your mind Carrie too well thank you for

3591
02:52:06,050 --> 02:52:04,200
such an amazing interview with avilo and

3592
02:52:08,570 --> 02:52:06,060
you always get him on the show thank you

3593
02:52:12,710 --> 02:52:08,580
so much he is one of my favorite guests

3594
02:52:15,590 --> 02:52:12,720
I'm so excited about his Galileo project

3595
02:52:18,650 --> 02:52:15,600
I really think he's actually going to

3596
02:52:22,929 --> 02:52:18,660
find something and I just am so proud of

3597
02:52:26,150 --> 02:52:22,939
how courageous he's going to be and is

3598
02:52:29,090 --> 02:52:26,160
by creating this project and I would

3599
02:52:30,530 --> 02:52:29,100
like some syrup with my pancakes because

3600
02:52:31,730 --> 02:52:30,540
I think we're going to find more

3601
02:52:35,570 --> 02:52:31,740
pancakes

3602
02:52:39,130 --> 02:52:35,580
he's I I I told him I told him uh both

3603
02:52:41,990 --> 02:52:39,140
on and off the air dude

3604
02:52:44,269 --> 02:52:42,000
you better be ready because you are

3605
02:52:46,010 --> 02:52:44,279
going to have a lot of stuff you're

3606
02:52:47,809 --> 02:52:46,020
going to have a lot of work it's going

3607
02:52:50,150 --> 02:52:47,819
to be great but you're also going to

3608
02:52:51,530 --> 02:52:50,160
find out what so many in the UFO

3609
02:52:55,910 --> 02:52:51,540
Community have been talking about

3610
02:52:58,429 --> 02:52:55,920
sightings go on all day all night every

3611
02:53:00,590 --> 02:52:58,439
day of the year and you're gonna have

3612
02:53:04,790 --> 02:53:00,600
automated systems out there scanning the

3613
02:53:09,130 --> 02:53:04,800
skies in real time all of the sky all of

3614
02:53:15,590 --> 02:53:12,110
they're gonna lose their minds that they

3615
02:53:18,170 --> 02:53:15,600
they don't have any idea and hopefully

3616
02:53:20,889 --> 02:53:18,180
he'll uh get to see the beer can and and

3617
02:53:24,170 --> 02:53:20,899
I'll be Vindicated so there you go

3618
02:53:26,809 --> 02:53:24,180
it was a can of syrup I think well you

3619
02:53:30,950 --> 02:53:26,819
know interesting enough regarding the

3620
02:53:34,550 --> 02:53:30,960
pancake shape yes it makes sense because

3621
02:53:37,790 --> 02:53:34,560
it would have more surface area than a

3622
02:53:41,330 --> 02:53:37,800
cigar shape to reflect the Sun and act

3623
02:53:43,190 --> 02:53:41,340
as some sort of a solar panel that could

3624
02:53:47,570 --> 02:53:43,200
fuel The Craft

3625
02:53:49,969 --> 02:53:47,580
so I believe that the data the

3626
02:53:53,210 --> 02:53:49,979
conclusion that did you know he deduced

3627
02:53:56,210 --> 02:53:53,220
that he believes that the craft is

3628
02:53:58,550 --> 02:53:56,220
pancake shaped really makes a lot of

3629
02:54:00,889 --> 02:53:58,560
sense like if you said it was you know

3630
02:54:03,469 --> 02:54:00,899
all the data pointed to it was a zigzag

3631
02:54:06,469 --> 02:54:03,479
shape that wouldn't make any logical

3632
02:54:12,769 --> 02:54:06,479
sense correct yeah so the fact that it's

3633
02:54:13,929 --> 02:54:12,779
this pancake shape that in of itself is

3634
02:54:17,269 --> 02:54:13,939
um

3635
02:54:20,090 --> 02:54:17,279
data that's starting to point in the

3636
02:54:24,050 --> 02:54:20,100
direction of an intelligently designed

3637
02:54:26,929 --> 02:54:24,060
craft it's not asymmetrical it's not

3638
02:54:30,530 --> 02:54:26,939
bulbous it's not shaped like a meteor

3639
02:54:32,450 --> 02:54:30,540
it's a pancake yeah well he brings up he

3640
02:54:34,370 --> 02:54:32,460
brings up that point if it was spherical

3641
02:54:37,190 --> 02:54:34,380
they need to have and it was spinning

3642
02:54:38,929 --> 02:54:37,200
you're not going to have those changes

3643
02:54:40,610 --> 02:54:38,939
all right you know in in light

3644
02:54:42,769 --> 02:54:40,620
Reflection from the Sun you're not going

3645
02:54:44,809 --> 02:54:42,779
to have those changes so that would give

3646
02:54:46,730 --> 02:54:44,819
the indication of a spherical object

3647
02:54:47,929 --> 02:54:46,740
spinning or not right okay so there's

3648
02:54:51,530 --> 02:54:47,939
that

3649
02:54:54,710 --> 02:54:51,540
um but he also and I meant to get to

3650
02:54:57,290 --> 02:54:54,720
this today but uh and I was thinking

3651
02:54:59,450 --> 02:54:57,300
about it but it's you know it's what

3652
02:55:05,150 --> 02:54:59,460
happens in an interview but it was this

3653
02:55:09,769 --> 02:55:05,160
point he didn't say it was flat and

3654
02:55:13,730 --> 02:55:09,779
square he didn't say it was flat and

3655
02:55:16,190 --> 02:55:13,740
triangular he didn't say right he didn't

3656
02:55:20,750 --> 02:55:16,200
say it was shaped like a stop sign he

3657
02:55:23,210 --> 02:55:20,760
didn't say no he said pancake

3658
02:55:27,349 --> 02:55:23,220
why you know what I mean as opposed to

3659
02:55:30,469 --> 02:55:27,359
triangular or Square or maybe it was

3660
02:55:34,670 --> 02:55:30,479
just uh flat and and pancake is the word

3661
02:55:37,130 --> 02:55:34,680
that he used but pancake says to me

3662
02:55:39,050 --> 02:55:37,140
Flying Saucer that's what it does that's

3663
02:55:41,809 --> 02:55:39,060
that's what I think of

3664
02:55:46,010 --> 02:55:41,819
right well it's aerodynamic it's

3665
02:55:47,990 --> 02:55:46,020
spherical if it's pancake shape it that

3666
02:55:51,110 --> 02:55:48,000
means it can flip over because he did

3667
02:55:53,809 --> 02:55:51,120
mention that its motion was tumbling so

3668
02:55:55,010 --> 02:55:53,819
if it's flipping over end on end so

3669
02:55:58,370 --> 02:55:55,020
you're

3670
02:56:01,790 --> 02:55:58,380
able to take advantage of both sides of

3671
02:56:04,849 --> 02:56:01,800
the object both surfaces that are

3672
02:56:08,110 --> 02:56:04,859
equally that are equal then you're

3673
02:56:11,450 --> 02:56:08,120
getting twice the amount of solar energy

3674
02:56:13,670 --> 02:56:11,460
absorption right right now now you are

3675
02:56:16,429 --> 02:56:13,680
the smart you are the smart cookie in

3676
02:56:17,230 --> 02:56:16,439
the room you're the smart pancake in

3677
02:56:20,809 --> 02:56:17,240
that

3678
02:56:22,910 --> 02:56:20,819
tumbling in what direction right because

3679
02:56:24,710 --> 02:56:22,920
that would indicate a lot of different

3680
02:56:27,530 --> 02:56:24,720
things I don't have anything flat in

3681
02:56:30,050 --> 02:56:27,540
here it's kind of strange oh okay I got

3682
02:56:34,309 --> 02:56:30,060
a tape measure and it's it's sort of

3683
02:56:37,010 --> 02:56:34,319
round okay so he's indicating that it

3684
02:56:39,769 --> 02:56:37,020
was tumbling this this is the Sun

3685
02:56:42,349 --> 02:56:39,779
and it's tumbling this way

3686
02:56:44,450 --> 02:56:42,359
okay I'm listening to you not watching

3687
02:56:46,730 --> 02:56:44,460
you but so I can't see what you're doing

3688
02:56:48,230 --> 02:56:46,740
but what if it was tumbling in the

3689
02:56:49,969 --> 02:56:48,240
opposite draw what if it was tumbling

3690
02:56:54,230 --> 02:56:49,979
this way

3691
02:56:56,990 --> 02:56:54,240
right it's so that's a different kind of

3692
02:56:59,570 --> 02:56:57,000
tumble what if it was tumbling at an

3693
02:57:03,590 --> 02:56:59,580
angle that's a different kind of tumble

3694
02:57:06,650 --> 02:57:03,600
with the data uh be

3695
02:57:09,769 --> 02:57:06,660
um would you be able to pull the data

3696
02:57:11,809 --> 02:57:09,779
out uh that would be consistent to show

3697
02:57:14,210 --> 02:57:11,819
you that the tumble was at an angle the

3698
02:57:16,670 --> 02:57:14,220
tumble was a flat tumble the tumble was

3699
02:57:18,950 --> 02:57:16,680
a sideways tumble

3700
02:57:22,070 --> 02:57:18,960
um I am sure that as the numbers are

3701
02:57:24,469 --> 02:57:22,080
spit out and they repeat then you are

3702
02:57:27,170 --> 02:57:24,479
able to see what kind of tumble it is

3703
02:57:31,429 --> 02:57:27,180
right okay because not all tumbles are

3704
02:57:33,769 --> 02:57:31,439
the same and uh or backwards or sideways

3705
02:57:35,330 --> 02:57:33,779
or in you know I said backwards what

3706
02:57:39,110 --> 02:57:35,340
about reverse

3707
02:57:42,530 --> 02:57:39,120
so you could be going in a curlicue yes

3708
02:57:46,969 --> 02:57:42,540
yes corkscrew

3709
02:57:51,769 --> 02:57:46,979
so with with all of that he looked at

3710
02:57:56,809 --> 02:57:51,779
the data he says it was shaped like a

3711
02:58:03,950 --> 02:58:01,030
is Mars Attacks I'm just saying

3712
02:58:07,429 --> 02:58:03,960
that's what I'm thinking yeah yeah

3713
02:58:09,590 --> 02:58:07,439
that's what I'm it is yes that's the

3714
02:58:11,990 --> 02:58:09,600
noise they made the little sound yeah

3715
02:58:14,030 --> 02:58:12,000
yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah because I have

3716
02:58:16,550 --> 02:58:14,040
my Mars Attacks dude around here

3717
02:58:20,150 --> 02:58:16,560
somewhere I have my attack

3718
02:58:22,969 --> 02:58:20,160
um but uh which is different uh man I've

3719
02:58:25,969 --> 02:58:22,979
got calls on hold I feel so bad

3720
02:58:28,490 --> 02:58:25,979
um you know what Carrie let me say good

3721
02:58:32,389 --> 02:58:28,500
night can I say good night

3722
02:58:36,710 --> 02:58:32,399
yes yes you have a wonderful night you

3723
02:58:41,929 --> 02:58:39,230
milk and cookies before bed so you have

3724
02:58:43,490 --> 02:58:41,939
a good night's sleep and have a

3725
02:58:46,190 --> 02:58:43,500
wonderful weekend thank you for

3726
02:58:49,790 --> 02:58:46,200
everything you do for all of us all of

3727
02:58:51,710 --> 02:58:49,800
this fader family we love you we just

3728
02:58:54,050 --> 02:58:51,720
are so grateful and thank thank

3729
02:58:56,150 --> 02:58:54,060
Professor Avi lope again for being on

3730
02:58:58,130 --> 02:58:56,160
the show thank you Carrie and have a

3731
02:59:00,830 --> 02:58:58,140
great safe night and weekend and I'll

3732
02:59:04,070 --> 02:59:00,840
see you here on Monday thank you so much

3733
02:59:07,250 --> 02:59:04,080
thank you good night Carrie in Palm

3734
02:59:08,750 --> 02:59:07,260
Springs and I just chased her off the

3735
02:59:11,389 --> 02:59:08,760
phone and thank you for letting me do

3736
02:59:13,670 --> 02:59:11,399
that Carrie because I wanted to get one

3737
02:59:15,710 --> 02:59:13,680
more call in hi you're live I'm Fade to

3738
02:59:19,849 --> 02:59:15,720
Black

3739
02:59:22,250 --> 02:59:19,859
you're live hi Jimmy Hi who's this

3740
02:59:24,530 --> 02:59:22,260
this is Mark how are you I'm calling

3741
02:59:27,950 --> 02:59:24,540
from Salt Lake uh hi Mark from Salt Lake

3742
02:59:31,910 --> 02:59:27,960
you've got exactly 60 seconds and I'm

3743
02:59:35,929 --> 02:59:31,920
doing this so I don't carry guilt

3744
02:59:39,170 --> 02:59:35,939
oh okay my question is

3745
02:59:40,309 --> 02:59:39,180
if you could choose anyone on this

3746
02:59:44,929 --> 02:59:40,319
planet

3747
02:59:47,690 --> 02:59:44,939
to represent the humans if E.T landed

3748
02:59:51,950 --> 02:59:47,700
tomorrow who would you

3749
02:59:58,490 --> 02:59:54,590
why would you pick George he deserves it

3750
03:00:03,170 --> 02:59:58,500
I would say I would say Eric Von daniken

3751
03:00:04,969 --> 03:00:03,180
But Eric would go give it to Giorgio but

3752
03:00:07,730 --> 03:00:04,979
uh Georgia you know look some of the

3753
03:00:11,150 --> 03:00:07,740
obvi I can tell you who I wouldn't pick

3754
03:00:13,670 --> 03:00:11,160
Neil deGrasse Tyson nah he's at the back

3755
03:00:15,050 --> 03:00:13,680
of the line uh no yeah he's at the back

3756
03:00:18,110 --> 03:00:15,060
of the line

3757
03:00:20,769 --> 03:00:18,120
um Avi Loeb would be great uh you know

3758
03:00:23,750 --> 03:00:20,779
you know who would just be thrilled

3759
03:00:28,070 --> 03:00:23,760
Linda Moulton Howe would lose her mind

3760
03:00:30,050 --> 03:00:28,080
right okay you know um Jimmy that's who

3761
03:00:33,050 --> 03:00:30,060
I would pick yeah I know I know I know

3762
03:00:36,349 --> 03:00:33,060
she she deserves it and she would just

3763
03:00:38,389 --> 03:00:36,359
lose her mind she would lose her mind

3764
03:00:39,950 --> 03:00:38,399
um you know you know who else would be

3765
03:00:43,849 --> 03:00:39,960
great though and I've got five seconds

3766
03:00:46,190 --> 03:00:43,859
Richard bleep and Dolan uh uh deserves a

3767
03:00:48,830 --> 03:00:46,200
seat at the table too as well so maybe

3768
03:00:50,870 --> 03:00:48,840
we should have a delegation maybe we

3769
03:00:54,469 --> 03:00:50,880
should have a delegation where it's it's

3770
03:00:57,469 --> 03:00:54,479
like uh even-handed but uh you know Avi

3771
03:01:01,670 --> 03:00:57,479
lobe oh man you know what he has done so

3772
03:01:04,429 --> 03:01:01,680
much uh for for this planet and and will

3773
03:01:07,070 --> 03:01:04,439
continue to do so with that mark You're

3774
03:01:09,410 --> 03:01:07,080
Gonna Hear Me Roll credits I gotta get

3775
03:01:12,349 --> 03:01:09,420
on out of here man and have a great safe

3776
03:01:14,450 --> 03:01:12,359
fun amazing weekend and I'll see you

3777
03:01:16,670 --> 03:01:14,460
right back here on Monday

3778
03:01:19,969 --> 03:01:16,680
okay have a great weekend Jimmy thank

3779
03:01:22,130 --> 03:01:19,979
you you too Mark thank you and with that

3780
03:01:24,889 --> 03:01:22,140
that wraps another week here uh

3781
03:01:26,570 --> 03:01:24,899
immediately on Monday I'll be back we're

3782
03:01:28,670 --> 03:01:26,580
gonna do a whole thing now we're gonna

3783
03:01:31,250 --> 03:01:28,680
do a world premiere on this movie

3784
03:01:33,590 --> 03:01:31,260
trailer the movie poster the director's

3785
03:01:36,590 --> 03:01:33,600
gonna be here it's going to be great but

3786
03:01:38,510 --> 03:01:36,600
all of that is a surprise okay all right

3787
03:01:40,730 --> 03:01:38,520
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3789
03:01:45,410 --> 03:01:43,080
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3790
03:01:47,590 --> 03:01:45,420
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3791
03:01:50,150 --> 03:01:47,600
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3792
03:01:52,010 --> 03:01:50,160
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03:01:55,250 --> 03:01:52,020
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03:01:56,870 --> 03:01:55,260
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03:01:59,269 --> 03:01:56,880
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03:02:01,429 --> 03:01:59,279
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03:02:03,290 --> 03:02:01,439
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03:02:04,969 --> 03:02:03,300
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3799
03:02:06,710 --> 03:02:04,979
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03:02:08,330 --> 03:02:06,720
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3801
03:02:10,490 --> 03:02:08,340
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3802
03:02:12,230 --> 03:02:10,500
Church all right no fader night tomorrow

3803
03:02:14,870 --> 03:02:12,240
I gotta work

3804
03:02:18,530 --> 03:02:14,880
but I'll see everybody on Monday have a

3805
03:02:19,060 --> 03:02:18,540
great weekend it's now time to Fade to

3806
03:02:29,580 --> 03:02:19,070
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